tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36551185321339058822024-02-06T18:08:32.402-08:00Timothy ConwayAbout <strong>PhD Timothy Conway</strong> And His Smear Campaign Against Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba On The <em>Timothy Conway Exposed</em> BlogUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3655118532133905882.post-31746666176854956422009-06-04T13:36:00.000-07:002009-06-04T13:54:27.737-07:00Tal Brooke Cited By Tim Conway<strong>Tal Brooke Cited By Tim Conway</strong><br /><br />It is perplexing that <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/timothy_conway/">Tim Conway</a> (a <strong>true-believer</strong> in Gurus, Enlightened Masters, Mystics, Hinduism and Eastern Philosophy) cited <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/robert-taliaferro-tal-brooke/">Tal Brooke</a> (an Evangelical and Fundamentalist Christian) as an <strong>authority</strong> and <strong>reference</strong> against <a href="http://www.sathyasai.org/">Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba</a>.<br /><br />In Tal Brooke’s book <em>“Riders Of The Cosmic Circuit, The Dark Side of Superconsciousness”</em>, he attacked Hinduism, claimed that enlightenment is an evil path and that God-Men and Gurus are in a state of perfect demon-possession. Therefore, Tim Conway’s reference to Tal Brooke has amusing repercussions against <u>him</u>, <u>his</u> beliefs and <u>his</u> advocacy of Gurus, Enlightened Masters, Mystics, Hinduism and Eastern Philosophy.<br /><br />One could similarly cite Tal Brooke as an <strong>authority</strong> and <strong>reference</strong> against Tim Conway’s promotion of <em>“demon-possessed”</em> God-Men and Gurus and the evil paths of enlightenment they promote through sinful Eastern Philosophies.<br /><br />Since Tal Brooke heavily relied on subjective, fanatic and religiously-based arguments (which <u>all</u> originated from Brooke’s LSD-induced hallucinations) to draw his conclusions that Gurus are in a state of perfect demon possession and that enlightenment is an evil path leading to Satan, what does this say about the <u>integrity</u> and <u>objectivity</u> of his claims against Sathya Sai Baba?<br /><br />Why does Tim Conway cite this type of person as a <strong>credible</strong> and <strong>reliable</strong> source for his disinformation campaigns against Sathya Sai Baba? Apparently, PhD Tim Conway doesn’t mind compromising his own beliefs to further his smear campaigns against his former guru.<br /><br />Books By Guru & Cult Promoter and self-described <em>“sagely author”</em> Tim Conway:<br /><ul><br /><li><em>Women of Power and Grace - Nine Astonishing, Inspiring Luminaries of Our Time</em> <strong>by Timothy Conway, Ph.D.</strong> (April 1996 • 351 pg • soft • ISBN 1-882978-27-4)</li><br /><li><em>India’s Sages: Nondual Wisdom from the Heart of Freedom</em> <strong>by Timothy Conway, Ph.D.</strong> (Winter 2009 • 400 pg • soft • $24 • ISBN 1-882978-32-3)</li><br /><li><em>India’s Sages Source Book: Nondual Wisdom from Hindus, Buddhists, Jainas, Tantrics, Sants, Sikhs and Sufis</em> <strong>by Timothy Conway, Ph.D.</strong> (Winter 2009 • 700 pg • soft • $28 • ISBN 1-882978-35-8)</li><br /></ul><br />Furthermore, Tim Conway intends to publish:<br /><ol><br /><li>Our Religions' Future: Truths, Trends and Challenges for Old and New Spiritualities</li><br /><li>Healing Our World: Crucial Solutions for Urgent Problems (A Call for EcoWisdom, Social Justice and Spiritual Liberation)</li><br /><li>Spirit, Science and Deep Wonder: Discovering Consciousness, Cosmos, Life, Afterlife, & Other-Life.</li><br /></ol><br />Needless to say, <strong>all</strong> of these books would be labeled as <em>“cultic”</em>, <em>“demonic”</em>, <em>“disinformative”</em>, <em>“occult”</em> and <em>“New Age”</em> by fundamentalist Tal Brooke.<br /><br />Nice scholarly referencing, PhD Tim Conway!Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3655118532133905882.post-77928686816341275832009-05-16T09:41:00.000-07:002009-06-04T14:04:43.663-07:00Timothy Conway & Basava Premanand<strong>Timothy Conway & Basava Premanand</strong><br /><br />Timothy Conway said the following about <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/Premanand/b-premanand-deception.html">Basava Premanand</a> (an Atheist, Rationalist and Skeptic who publishes the <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/Premanand/indian-skeptic-sceptic.html">Indian Skeptic</a> tabloid):<br /><br /><blockquote><strong>Timothy Conway:</strong> “Though I disagree strongly with his atheist philosophy and rationalist-skeptic approach, the Indian former SSB devotee (1968-74) turned India’s most notorious ‘guru-buster,’ Basava Premanand, a decades-long critic of Sathya Sai in his periodical Indian Skeptic, also deserves acknowledgment here as one taking a firm and enduring stand for accountability and justice, not just in the case of SSB but with other problematic figures as well. (On the case against SSB, see Premanand’s bulky books, including Murders in Sai Baba’s Bed Room, 2004, and, most recently, Failed Sabotage by SSB through Gerald Moreno, 2007, etc., published by the author at 11/7, Chettipalayam Rd., Podanur 641 023, Tamil Nadu, India)”</blockquote><br />First and foremost, Basava Premanand was <strong>never</strong> a Sai Devotee as erroneously claimed by PhD Timothy Conway. <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/Murders/caps-bp-claims.html" target="_blank">Click Here</a> to view screen captures to <em>SaiPetition.net</em>, Robert Priddy’s <em>Ex-Office Bearers Page</em> and the BBC text to the <em>Secret Swami Documentary</em>. Basava Premanand <u>personally</u> made a submission to <em>SaiPetition.net</em> (which was subsequently replicated on Robert Priddy’s <em>Ex-Office Bearers Page</em>) stating that he was a follower of Sri Sathya Sai Baba from 1968 to 1974 and was the <em>“best worker in the SSB Org., Podanur”</em>. However, in the <em>Secret Swami Documentary</em>, Basava Premanand claimed he was <u>never</u> a follower of Sathya Sai Baba and had been trying to <u>investigate</u> the Guru since 1968 itself. Premanand joined the Sai Organization in an attempt to infiltrate it and expose Sai Baba.<br /><br />In both the <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/guru-busters-documentary-gurubusters.html">GuruBusters Documentary</a> and the <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/Murders/premanand-active.htm" target="_blank"><em>The Independent</em> Article</a> Premanand was said to have been exposing Gurus for nearly 50 years (since the age of 21-22). This means that in 1968 (at the age of 38, or 16 years <u>after</u> he was a rationalist) Premanand was <u>not</u> a follower of Sathya Sai Baba when he joined the Sai Organization in Podanur. Premanand <strong>lied</strong> about being a Sai Devotee (just as he <strong>lied</strong> about Moreno being sexually abused by Sai Baba, <strong>lied</strong> about an anonymous letter alleging sexual abuse being written by a Sai Student, among numerous other blatant untruths).<br /><br />One will also notice how the moralist PhD Timothy Conway cited Premanand’s book against Moreno on his <em>“biggest and best website on spirituality”</em>. Don’t expect Timothy Conway to divulge the <strong>fact</strong> that Basava Premanand shamelessly <strong>libeled</strong> Moreno in that book and that it contains <strong>numerous</strong> unsubstantiated defamations mostly from <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-Priddy/robert-priddy-deception.html">Robert Priddy</a> (with citations to <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/brian_steel.html">Brian Steel</a>, <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-Larsson/larsson-deception.html">Conny Larsson</a>, <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-Dadlani/dadlani-deception.html">Sanjay Dadlani</a> and <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/M_Alan_Kazlev/">Alan Kazlev</a>). Moreno discussed this issue in his article entitled <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/Premanand/senile-or-liar.html">Is Basava Premanand Senile, Confused, A Liar Or All Of The Above?</a> and on his <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/Premanand/indian-skeptic-sceptic.html">Indian Skeptic Page</a>.<br /><br />This is the type of sleaze, slime and defamatory material that PhD Timothy Conway cites against his detractors. PhD Timothy Conway is a <strong>pseudo-moralist</strong> and <strong>pseudo-spiritualist</strong> who must reference sleaze, slime and defamatory material because there is absolutely <strong>no</strong> verifiable, credible and reliable information to support <u>any</u> of the criminal allegations made against Sathya Sai Baba. The fact that <strong>no one</strong> <u>has even tried</u> to file a basic police complaint or court case against Sathya Sai Baba in India is proof enough that the allegations against him lack substance and credibility. Neither Sathya Sai Baba nor the Sai Organization have <u>ever</u> been charged with <u>any</u> crime, sexual or otherwise (Refs: <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/failed-supreme-court-cases-writ-petitions.html">01</a> - <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/alleged-victims-not-credible-limitation-act-expired.html">02</a>).<br /><br />The burden of proof is on those making the allegations against Sathya Sai Baba. Those making the allegations (including Timothy Conway) have <strong>miserably failed</strong> to make <u>any</u> leeway against Sathya Sai Baba in a court of law in India despite their loud protests and cry-baby whining to the contrary.<br /><br />Furthermore, Timothy Conway’s reference to Basava Premanand has amusing repercussions against <u>him</u>, <u>his</u> beliefs and <u>his</u> advocacy of Gurus, Enlightened Masters, Mystics, Hinduism and Eastern Philosophies because Basava Premanand believes that people who believe in these things are <strong>Guru promoters</strong>, <strong>blind believers</strong>, <strong>cult advocates</strong> and <strong>superstitionists</strong> with weak intellects!<br /><br />Nice scholarly referencing, PhD Timothy Conway!Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3655118532133905882.post-77293470909909071182009-05-16T09:29:00.000-07:002009-05-16T09:37:47.244-07:00Timothy Conway & Guru-Ratings Sarlo<strong>Timothy Conway & Guru-Ratings Sarlo</strong><br /><br />Timothy Conway cited Sarlo (owner of the <a target="_blank" href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=gururatings">GuruRatings WebSite And Yahoo Group</a>) as a <strong>notable</strong> person on his behalf. Tim Conway put the following quote from Sarlo on his <em>enlightened-spirituality.org</em> website:<br /><blockquote>“Timothy, you have a lot of ‘engaging’ things to say and it’s been my pleasure to post some of it [e.g., the Sun magazine interview on ‘Engaged Spirituality’ at the Guru Ratings website]. It’s great to learn you have a website now--it looks excellent and broad, already well developed, lots of good news. I'll be happy to list you and link to your site. And i’ll announce it on my discussion forum. And if you don't mind, i’ll link also to your ‘Warning signs of dysfunctional cults’ and ‘Criteria for Authentic Spiritual Realization’ pages from my ‘Other Approaches to Ratings Criteria’ page at www.globalserve.net/~sarlo/Critexpo2.htm, with a few samples. Your signs and criteria would be a worthy addition. --Sarlo, creator of the much-visited ‘Guru Ratings’ website at www.globalserve.net/~sarlo/Ratings.htm.”</blockquote><br /><br /><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgsDusw0Qw4zHkcF7w3vgsgdfR8ue7fzzXmlCfjYVWt_5_nfxXMwHRg2E5yFS0DkNC_0w1iiOKPZcMNHLd6qOcHzjkYOX68AU39fTg1fRUcb9sIlbutY146sKILFnXtkwwqmBY-a_H_LGg/s1600-h/timothy-conway-gururatings-sarlo.gif"><img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 320px; height: 115px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgsDusw0Qw4zHkcF7w3vgsgdfR8ue7fzzXmlCfjYVWt_5_nfxXMwHRg2E5yFS0DkNC_0w1iiOKPZcMNHLd6qOcHzjkYOX68AU39fTg1fRUcb9sIlbutY146sKILFnXtkwwqmBY-a_H_LGg/s320/timothy-conway-gururatings-sarlo.gif" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5336460168189848562" /></a><br />For starters, Sarlo (who, for some mysterious reason, does <u>not</u> divulge his full name) is a Rajneesh / Osho devotee (and refers to him as <em>“my Master”</em>), started his spiritual journey (and had a decade-long love affair) with LSD and marijuana (<a target="_blank" href="http://www.globalserve.net/~sarlo/Drugs.htm">Reference</a>) and refers to himself as <em>“Swami Deva Sarlo”</em> (claiming he is a <em>“master”</em>, initiate and a <em>“god”</em>). <em>“Swami”</em> means ‘master’ (a title usually conferred on initiates belonging to the Osho cult) and <em>“deva”</em> means ‘god’, ‘angel’ or ‘divine being’.<br /><br />Like <a href="http://timothy-conway-exposed.blogspot.com/2009/05/timothy-conway-ammachi-mata.html">Guruphiliac Jody Radzik</a>, Sarlo believes that he is self-realized. As a matter of fact, in an article entitled <em>“Sarlo Declares Enlightenment”</em>, he said:<br /><br /><blockquote><strong>Gururatings Sarlo</strong>: “According to Osho, one of the biggest obstacles to enlightenment is peer-group jealousy. <u>One’s friends will simply not accept that this trippy asshole has arrived at the ultimate fulfillment while they languish in darkness</u>. I am prepared to meet this challenge head-on. The courage to brave my friends’ scorn has been bolstered by: a) the knowledge, from Phil 101, that you don’t exist; b) end-of-millennium urgency; c) the discovery of ordinariness as a way out/cover-up; d) any or all of the above.” (<a target="_blank" href="http://www.globalserve.net/~sarlo/Sarlo3.htm">Reference</a>)</blockquote><br />Sarlo is also a contact for an Osho-related center in Canada:<br /><br /><blockquote>Osho Samaroha Meditation Center,<br />Ma Dhyan Amiyo<br />3676 W. 38th Ave.<br />Vancouver V6N 2Y2 BC<br />Tel.: +1-604-261-5312 (which resolves to <em>“Gaile P. Winterton”</em>)<br />E-Mail: sarlo@globalserve.net<br />(<a target="_blank" href="http://www.oshoworld.com/oshocenters/oshocenters_outside_india1.asp">Reference</a>)</blockquote><br />One should rightly wonder why Rajneesh/Osho is listed on Sarlo’s subjective Guru-Ratings website as being one of the <strong>greatest</strong> Gurus ever to walk the Earth. I think there are <strong>many people</strong> who would take issue with such a claim. As a matter of fact, many people <u>already</u> have (Refs: <a target="_blank" href="http://www.watchman.org/na/rajneesh.htm">01</a> - <a target="_blank" href="http://www.rickross.com/groups/rajneesh.html">02</a> - <a target="_blank" href="http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/nrms/rajneesh.html">03</a> - <a target="_blank" href="http://www.apologeticsindex.org/b40.html">04</a> - <a target="_blank" href="http://americanhistory.suite101.com/article.cfm/bhagwan_shree_rajneesh_expelled">05</a> - <a target="_blank" href="http://americanhistory.suite101.com/article.cfm/rajneesh_gets_paranoid">06</a> - <a target="_blank" href="http://www.godulike.co.uk/faiths.php?chapter=82&subject=who">07</a>).<br /><br />Sarlo praised Jody’s Guruphiliac Blog as a <em>“worthy project”</em> and that he puts <em>“the humourous bite on the usual guru excesses: money, sex, and power”</em>. Ironically, Rajneesh’s excesses in money, sex and power are <strong>unparalleled</strong> in Gurudom (remember the 93 Rolls Royces?). Needless to say, Sarlo ignores the faults and failings of Osho (his <em>“Master”</em>) and ranks him as one of the <strong>greatest</strong> Gurus ever to walk the planet. Sarlo then has the <strong>audacity</strong> to point his self-righteous fingers at other Gurus and whine, snivel and lament about <u>their</u> faults and failings. Funny enough, Sarlo created a disclaimer page where he admitted that his bogus Guru-Ratings service is based on the subjective opinions of a <strong>layman</strong> (<a target="_blank" href="http://www.globalserve.net/~sarlo/Disclaimer.htm">Reference</a>).<br /><br />So what did Jody Radzik have to say about Rajneesh/Osho? On his <u>Guruphiliac</u> Blog, Jody said:<br /><br /><blockquote><strong>Guruphliac Jody Radzik</strong>: “A tip of our tantric hat to Osho for his attempts to sustain such a large chakra-puja. Such wide scale transgression was certain to result in all kinds of transformation in the participants...But he had management problems and it all fell apart. We're sorry we missed the fun.” (<a target="_blank" href="http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/search?q=Famous+Dead+Guys">Reference</a>)</blockquote><br />Jody Radzik <strong>praised</strong> Osho’s sexual excesses as a large <em>“chakra puja”</em> (which is a tantric ritual that involves two to ten couples who engage in ritualized sexual activities, aka <em>“an orgy”</em>), dismissed Osho’s many faults and failings as <em>“management problems”</em> and expressed regret that he missed the fun! That’s right, sexual promiscuity, power-abuse, wealth and hedonism are things that Jody Radzik and Sarlo think are laudable, praiseworthy and serve as valid criteria to give high-ranking marks to Gurus whose feet they happen to kiss and adore. It is amusing that Jody and Sarlo both profess devotion to Gurus, yet trash and bash other Gurus as if they are free from the Guru-affliction they love to point out in others.<br /><br />Amusingly, Timothy Conway wrote a <strong>highly critical</strong> article about Sarlo’s Guru, Rajneesh. Timothy Conway said he was under the impression that:<br /><br /><blockquote>“Rajneesh was another shooting star in the spiritual firmament, one of those strange but rather numerous fallen yogis who attain some glimpses or periods of a certain kind of ‘enlightened freedom,’ open up to become a channel for some unusual and palpable energies (leading mesmerized disciples to think they are in the presence of Divinity), but then sooner or later such figures become imbalanced and egocentrically full of themselves--proud, megalomaniacal, narcissistic, and/or disturbed by one or more other mental-emotional-psychic pathologies.“ (<a target="_blank" href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/rajneesh.html">Reference</a>)</blockquote><br />Attempting to get some <strong>cheap</strong> publicity on the <em>Guruphiliac Blog</em> and on the <em>GuruRatings Website</em>, Timothy Conway <strong>endorses</strong>, <strong>promotes</strong> and <strong>associates himself</strong> with Jody Radzik and Sarlo. Mr Conway found Sarlo and Jody to be so <u>respectable</u>, he listed their names and comments on his <strong>official website</strong> beside those of Jeff Eisen, Swami Abhayananda (Stan Trout), Steve Beckow, Dr. Peter Rohr, Mike Newton and Stuart Goodnick.Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3655118532133905882.post-69234482619196030392009-05-16T09:13:00.000-07:002009-05-16T09:28:36.159-07:00Timothy Conway & Ammachi Mata Amritanandamayi Ma<strong>Timothy Conway & Ammachi Mata Amritanandamayi Ma</strong><br /><br />Timothy Conway (who <strong>thoroughly</strong> eulogizes, promotes and worships <a target="_blank" href="http://www.ammachi.org/">Ammachi - Mata Amritanandamayi Ma</a> as a <u>bona-fide</u> Guru) cited <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/guruphiliac-jody-radzik/">Guruphiliac Jody Radzik</a> on his <em>enlightened-spirituality.org</em> website as a <strong>notable</strong> person who endorsed him. Timothy Conway duplicated the following comments onto his website from Jody Radzik’s blogged article entitled <em>“Conway’s Way Is No Con”</em>:<br /><br /><blockquote>“Timothy [has] got a slew of good stuff up at his Enlightened-Spirituality.org, including a nice little bit about the importance of critical thinking, the precious water and commodity that’s sorely lacking in the infernal desert of ignorance known as New Age spirituality in the West.... It’s good to see someone out there upholding the legacies of Shankara and Vivekananda, especially in these days of enlightenment pyramid scams and lame-brained channelling schemes designed to separate the psychologically needy from their dollars in exchange for a boatload of false hope and occluding nonsense about the truth of the Self. So give Enlightened-Spirituality.org a go when you’ve got a minute and the desire to cleanse your palate of all the superstitious nonsense that chokes the truth right out of spiritual culture in these times. --Jody, creator of the popular and controversial Guruphiliac blog at guruphiliac.blogspot.com.”</blockquote><br /><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgOV29V4aMMUwdNIxx56qfua_mUpBAp7baZTigr7jmgBSsT0xgxye89tudtnKup3GiccGjxbtJOYniyFOMdkHUP8f-dyWVTRc9lCSyQo7OU-xJ_XHEKOvgD7uU9odt5Q6LNLONnG63UftY/s1600-h/timothy-conway-jody-radzik-guruphiliac.gif"><img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 320px; height: 138px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgOV29V4aMMUwdNIxx56qfua_mUpBAp7baZTigr7jmgBSsT0xgxye89tudtnKup3GiccGjxbtJOYniyFOMdkHUP8f-dyWVTRc9lCSyQo7OU-xJ_XHEKOvgD7uU9odt5Q6LNLONnG63UftY/s320/timothy-conway-jody-radzik-guruphiliac.gif" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5336456940980296482" /></a><br />Timothy Conway <strong>promotes</strong> Jody Radzik (a <u>known</u> basher and trasher of Ammachi - Mata Amritanandamayi Ma) on his <em>“spiritual”</em> website. Jody Radzik’s critiques on Ammachi <a target="_blank" href="http://www.google.com/custom?domains=guruphiliac.blogspot.com&q=ammachi&sitesearch=guruphiliac.blogspot.com&client=pub-5003566892527367&forid=1&ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&cof=GALT%3A%23669922%3BGL%3A1%3BDIV%3A%23669922%3BVLC%3A663399%3BAH%3Acenter%3BBGC%3AFFFFFF%3BLBGC%3A669922%3BALC%3AD05D2A%3BLC%3AD05D2A%3BT%3A000000%3BGFNT%3AD05D2A%3BGIMP%3AD05D2A%3BLH%3A50%3BLW%3A238%3BL%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fatman.net%2Fguruphiliac%2Fgpstrap.gif%3BS%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2F%3BFORID%3A1&hl=en">can be found here</a>. As a matter of fact, Jody Radzik accused Ammachi (Mata Amritanandamayi Ma) of being:<br /><ul><br /><li><em>“Greedy”</em></li><br /><li>Money-hungry (or as Jody puts it, a <em>“money-grubber”</em>)</li><br /><li>A <em>“Hindu Nazi”</em></li><br /><li>The <em>“Al Qaeda Of India”</em></li><br /><li>Creator of <em>“Goonsgate”</em></li><br /><li>The <em>“Mistress Of The Hindu Right”</em></li><br /><li>A <em>“foaming-at-the-mouth radical nationalist”</em></li><br /><li>Being allied with <em>“people and goals of the radical, racist, Hindu nationalist right”</em></li><br /><li>Somehow involved with <em>“murders”</em> of <em>“mysterious circumstances”</em> at her ashram</li><br /><li>Enmeshed in an <em>“Amma ‘Sex Scandal’”</em></li><br /><li>Involved in a <em>“Mind-Control TV Network”</em> through <em>Amma TV</em></li><br /><li>Involved with <em>“global domination”</em></li><br /><li>Manipulative and weakening devotees minds with her <em>“astral breast milk”</em></li><br /><li>A rip off who <em>“offer mammaries full of occluding nonsense to a world rife with infantilism”</em><br /><li>The slurs go on and on...</li><br /></ul><br />As a matter of fact, Guruphiliac Jody Radzik made the following composite image of Amma (see how it is used on his blog <a target="_blank" href="http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/2007/10/ammachi-new-delhi-al-qaeda-of-india.html">here</a>), merging her face with Osama Bin Laden (the image links directy to Radzik’s <a target="_blank" href="http://atman.net/">atman.net</a> website: <a target="_blank" href="http://atman.net/guruphiliac/ammabinladen.jpg">Ref</a>):<br /><br /><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi_vxZP61GoLTR_PHkIkFEam9i9HFYAymtdJOiy0uAgPYriMWKZEdGG7doHWMD-ZxMbTYkW15lshTFGHeJB0jk2dzH8BRzKOVRTu-4A6KJAJp7XLOXiKjAzjP5OlYVL5DUXp3Zv052Mgl4/s1600-h/timothy-conway-jody-radzik-amma-bin-laden.jpg"><img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 298px; height: 320px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi_vxZP61GoLTR_PHkIkFEam9i9HFYAymtdJOiy0uAgPYriMWKZEdGG7doHWMD-ZxMbTYkW15lshTFGHeJB0jk2dzH8BRzKOVRTu-4A6KJAJp7XLOXiKjAzjP5OlYVL5DUXp3Zv052Mgl4/s320/timothy-conway-jody-radzik-amma-bin-laden.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5336456941690218306" /></a><br />This is the type of <strong><u>hate</u></strong> that Timothy Conway promotes on his <em>“biggest and best site on spirituality”</em>. Poor Timothy Conway. His research into the notable people he cites on <u>his</u> behalf is as thorough as his lamentable research into the Sai Controversy. Attempting to bolster his illustrious reputation (sarcasm implied) Timothy Conway cited <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/guruphiliac-jody-radzik/">Jody Radzik</a> (a promoter of raves and <strong>illegal</strong> psychedelic drugs) on his behalf. Not only does Jody Radzik bash Ammachi, he also bashes and lies about other Gurus as well. Timothy Conway promotes a man who claims he is self-realized, needs <em>“to be stoned ALL the time”</em>, is Kali Ma’s <em>“sex slave”</em> and hears the voice of Kali Ma in his head. Nice friend you got there, Timothy.<br /><br />This information is going to be <strong>very disconcerting</strong> to all the Amma devotees who can often be seen citing the following quote from Timothy Conway describing Ammachi as:<br /><blockquote>“one of the most glorious lights to appear in the history of religion. Just her stamina - embracing these millions of people one by one, day after day, without a break, all over the world-is some kind of divine gift. No mere human resources could accomplish this.”</blockquote><br /><strong>November 27th 2007 Update:</strong> Timothy Conway contacted Moreno by email and informed him that although he hesitantly posted Jody’s blurbs on his official website, he was <u>fully aware</u> of Jody’s attacks against Amma and her devotees. Timothy Conway <u>defended</u> Jody Radzik and said he is <em>“actually very positive about her (Amma) in many contexts, and has defended her to many of his readers”</em>. <strong>Rubbish!</strong> Timothy said he was unaware of Jody’s <em>“Amma Bin Laden”</em> photo (how did that escape a PhD researcher?) and removed Guruphiliac Jody Radzik’s comments from his website. Good call and nice damage-control, Timothy. Interested readers can view Timothy Conway’'s comment (expressing gratitude to Jody Radzik on his Guruphiliac blog) <a target="_blank" href="http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/2007/09/conways-way-is-no-con.html">HERE</a>.Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3655118532133905882.post-23083690387963814562009-05-15T22:17:00.000-07:002009-05-15T22:20:53.556-07:00The Sai Critic And PhD Timothy Conway<strong>The Sai Critic And PhD Timothy Conway</strong><br /><br /><strong>Timothy Conway Recants:</strong><br />In our previous page on Jack Hawley’s critics, we had reported comments Tim Conway had made about deceased devotees. Our comments are below:<br /><br />Timothy Conway has made some unsustainable assertions in his circular letter. He refers to longtime devotees who are now dead, whom, he asserts, left Baba over this sexual impropriety. <br /><br />Here are the quotes:<br /><br /><strong>What Conway said:</strong><br /><br /><blockquote>“On this point, we should remember the numerous longtime Sai devotees like Professors Gokak and Bhagavathum and others who have left Sathya Sai, ostensibly over the inappropriate sexual activity by Baba.<br /><br />These longtime close observers obviously perceived a different meaning for Baba’s behavior than the meaning Hawley attributes to this behavior. Hawley thinks Sai’s behavior is evidence of the Divine. Gokak, Bhagavathum, and others apparently thought otherwise.”</blockquote><br /><strong>The Sai Critic commented:</strong><br /><br /><blockquote>“Timothy Conway is speaking ill of the dead here. He also forgoes any remaining credibility claiming that these well known names in the Sai Haiography abandoned Sai over these matters. Gokak was Vice Chancellor and lived and died a devotee. Where is the evidence for this scurrillous assertion against a dead man? What evidence, what authorities does he cite for Gokak, Bhagavathum and others? None are offered. The ‘and others’ is a tell-tale give away, it is just a device to throw some speculation in.<br /><br />Bhagavathum did indeed renounce Swami, but not as a fake, rather Bhagavathum renounced Swami as one who is simply impossible to live with. Witnesses and reputable authorities cite Bhagavathum left primarily because Swami did not give the attention to Bhagavathum’s son which the doctor demanded.<br /><br />Whatever the reason, it is known Bhagavathum left Swami in a huff, and later manifested Alzheimers, a disease which wasted him unto death. There is no evidence cited by Conway or any others that Dr Bhagavathum left Baba over sexual misdemeanour or any other activity. We confidently challenge Timothy Conway to evidence his unsalutary assertions about these two deceased men of good repute and character.”</blockquote><br /><strong>What Conway has retracted:</strong><br /><br /><blockquote>“First, I especially thank you for clarifying that Gokak died a devotee of Swami and that Bhagavantam left Baba for reasons other than any sexual improprieties by Baba. Along this line, I want to directly issue to you and to any other readers a MAJOR APOLOGY and a RETRACTION for passing along, not just second hand hearsay, but third-hand rumor of the most insubstantial and false variety.”</blockquote><br /><br />Bravo, Bravo! We salute Timothy Conway. We applaud this first public recant from hearsay, gossip and misreporting in this sorry business of <em>“The Findings”</em>.<br /><br /><strong>Tim Conway Defends:</strong><br />After his recant, Conway is adamant that there are outraged persons who have departed Sathya Sai Baba. Conway goes on to describe those ex-devotees and assorted supporters of The Findings:<br /><br /><blockquote>“These charges are simply the cry of anguished devotees attempting to protect young men and boys from behavior that can have a deeply traumatic effect upon their sensitive psyches.”</blockquote><br /><br />The accusations we hear are certainly not <em>“the cry of anguished devotees attempting to protect young men”</em>. The loathsome noise we hear is the commotion of the tittle-tattle, the <em>“isn’t-it-awful gossips”</em>, the rumor mongers and the hysterical naysayers who peddle the apocryphal story of Sai and a seven year old boy, for example; a story that has NEVER BEEN VERIFIED by its alleged source. A most fetid and controversial claim that is still peddled as fact. This and most of the other material circulating is NOT the <em>“cry of the anguished devotees”</em>.<br /><br />These comprise the malignant, repetitive chants of the rumour mill (whom Conway will later label as the <em>“Nasty Naysayers”</em>) designed to shock, horrify and alienate existing devotees. Let Conway investigate the length and breadth of the activities of some of his companions against DEVOTEES; not against Sai Baba, but against devotees. It is part of a well prepared mail-bombing campaign against devotees. <em>“Anguished cry...”</em> ... who has Conway been listening to - both sides? It would appear not. Where is the Conway critique of this campaign against devotees? Has all the response tactics and strategy been truthfully revealed to Conway? Is it really the cry of the anguished devotee or an appeal to a vague non-entity as Conway has been steered away from certain facts?<br /><br /><strong>Tim Conway, Chapter and Verse</strong><br />Timothy Conway presents the Law in the United States of America:<br /><br /><blockquote>“please remember that, in our law-based society (and Baba has always advocated that citizens abide by their nation’s laws), the sexual harassment and molestation of minors (and, yes, adults) is a prosecutable, criminal offense.” Conway goes on to speak of “<strong>the MANDATED REPORTING RULE, which imposes a LEGAL DUTY on any adult with knowledge that sexual molestation of minors is likely occurring TO REPORT SUCH BEHAVIOR and TRY TO PREVENT SUCH BEHAVIOR FROM RE-OCCURRING</strong>”</blockquote><br /><strong>Invitation to Prosecute:</strong><br />Mr Conway, along with all anguished devotees attempting to protect young men, are all hereby invited to the Court of the Judicial Magistrate, 1st Class, Penukonda, Anantapur District, Andhra Pradesh, India, to lay charges against Sathya Sai Baba. This appears to be the appropriate court of Law. Laying of Charges in other countries is not likely to have any effect. The matter more rightly belongs in the Penukonda Magistrates Court.<br /><br /><strong>Mighty Matters of Faith and Belief:</strong><br />Conway articulates his doubts of faith and belief:<br /><br /><blockquote>“At this point in time, I cannot agree that Baba is the ‘Purna Avatar, pure and simple.’ Anyone who tries to rationalize Baba’s behavior by appealing to his Divinity and the corollary that ‘God [Baba] can do whatever he wants’ has not sufficiently proven that Baba is, in fact, the pure expression of Divinity incarnate on this planet. It may be that the formless God or Absolute Spirit (the Infinite Atman/Brahman) is communicating something through the name/form of Sathya Sai and thus has intended that tens of millions of people connect with his mission, at least temporarily until they move beyond the form of Sathya Sai (and has not Baba himself often called for people not to get attached to his form?)”</blockquote><br /><br />For a person who freely admits he has been <em>“out of the loop”</em> and not active as a devotee of Sai Baba since he has commenced to actively follow another satguru, Mr Conway presents an unsettled frame of mind. Is he still loyal to Sai Baba? Either he says the formless absolute is engaging in revelation and a mission via the name and form of Sai, or he is not making such an admission. He appears to be presenting both sides of the coin and not settling conclusively for one opinion or the other. Conway presents uncertanty and is not clear himself where he stands.<br /><br />Certainly he is good at throwing in red herrings:<br /><br /><blockquote>“But let me remind you--I’m sure you’re aware--that great Mahatmas of the last 150 years like Ramakrishna, Ramana Maharshi, Anandamayi Ma, Mata Amritanandamayi, Anasuya Devi, Devaraha Baba, Shyama Mataji, Bhagavan Nityananda have NEVER needed to sexually molest their followers to ‘test’ them.”</blockquote><br />Conway meanders on with his red herring of the other gurus:<br /><br /><blockquote>“Rather, to take just one example, consider the case of the beautiful Ramana Maharshi. Dozens of reliable accounts indicate that Ramana could awaken people to the completely bodiless, ego-free, infinite, transcendental state of pure Spirit (Atman/Brahman), absolute Being-Awareness-Bliss-Love, SIMPLY BY GAZING AT THEM SILENTLY with his amazingly loving, liberating, Grace-filled look.”</blockquote><br />Far from being a devotee who has thrown away his darshan cushion, Conway hangs onto doubt and expresses it often:<br /><br /><blockquote>“It has to be demonstrated that Sathya Sai’s sexual predatory behavior -- apparently involving hundreds, maybe even more than a thousand young men and boys -- is ‘restoring Dharma’.”</blockquote><br />A little further on, Conway writes:<br /><br /><blockquote>“(Some nasty naysayers want to say that Baba is actually nothing more than an evil force on the planet, a master of occult powers who masquerades, like the legendary Lucifer, as a being of light and goodness. I don’t accept this analysis of ‘Baba -as-consummate-evil’.”</blockquote><br />Conway wants it both ways. He wants the jury to be out, still deciding, and he wants to distance himself from the Some nasty nay-sayers. He has certainly failed to do that, as he has taken up their cause. In email, chat rooms and on the Internet, CAPITALS represent YELLING. Here is Mr Conway again:<br /><br /><blockquote>“the MANDATED REPORTING RULE, which imposes a LEGAL DUTY on any adult with knowledge that sexual molestation of minors is likely occurring TO REPORT SUCH BEHAVIOR and TRY TO PREVENT SUCH BEHAVIOR FROM RE-OCCURRING...”</blockquote><br />So Timothy Conway, is yelling out for all to hear where he stands. Beside the <em>“nasty nay sayers”</em>.<br /><br /><strong>Invitation to Prosecute:</strong><br />Mr Conway, along with all anguished devotees attempting to protect young men, are all hereby invited to the Court of the Judicial Magistrate, 1st Class, Penukonda, Anantapur District, Andhra Pradesh, India, to lay charges against Sathya Sai Baba. This appears to be the appropriate court of Law. Laying of Charges in other countries is not likely to have any effect.<br /><br />The matter more rightly belongs in the Penukonda Magistrates Court. Not in any court in the United States of America. Do proceed with haste, with all anguised persons, nay sayers, gossipers and the like. ESPECIALLY do take <em>“young men from around the world who have come forward to describe their victimization by this man masquerading as God”</em>, do instigate and demand investigation, demand the laying of charges, demand the prosecution, with ALL HASTE.<br /><br />Conway perseveres with admonition:<br /><br /><blockquote>“The bottom line is that, REGARDLESS of who/what Baba is, we, as mature, responsible aspirants endeavoring to live the values of Satya, Dharma, Shanti, Prema and Ahimsa have A SERIOUS ETHICAL DUTY to rise up and speak out against the longstanding pattern of sexual molestation.”</blockquote><br />Hello?<br /><ul><br /><li>Are you there Mr Conway?</li><br /><li>Cease acting as a middle man.</li><br /><li>Assist those who report complaints with Sai Baba.</li><br /><li>Provide tickets.</li><br /><li>Get them on a plane.</li><br /><li>Fly with them to Bangalore or Hyderabad.</li><br /><li>Assist with travel to Penukonda, to the Magistrates Court.</li><br /><li>Fulfill your SERIOUS ETHICAL DUTY and lay your charges.</li><br /><li>Assist these traumatised others to lay charges in the proper courts.</li><br /></ul><br />Then you will have salvaged your conscience and fulfilled your serious ethical duty. We remind you that Sai Baba is not afraid. After all, he has said, <em>“Why be afraid of the mistake you have not committed?”</em><br /><br /><a target="_blank" href="http://www.geocities.com/the_sai_critic/cnwy.html"><em>The Sai Critic</em> Reference</a>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3655118532133905882.post-49074966908071318512009-05-13T12:00:00.000-07:002009-05-13T12:26:45.716-07:00John Prendergast<strong>JOHN PRENDERGAST</strong><br /><br /><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhQA7r8RDRNDts3Qwt9pUQwmCTvReMuuuuEVLLB0icf6nIDpHjJxaBs9xTO8CuP7WIbHaEYak1qPKqae8iHD2FSbKoHMygOBr1cPwcbm6YRJd2PKWzI7FW6VP2J8ngcwy9bD5E3d7CzvEo/s1600-h/john_prendergast.gif"><img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 230px; height: 320px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhQA7r8RDRNDts3Qwt9pUQwmCTvReMuuuuEVLLB0icf6nIDpHjJxaBs9xTO8CuP7WIbHaEYak1qPKqae8iHD2FSbKoHMygOBr1cPwcbm6YRJd2PKWzI7FW6VP2J8ngcwy9bD5E3d7CzvEo/s320/john_prendergast.gif" border="0" alt="John Prendergast"id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5335386929846827842" /></a><br /><strong><span style="color:#000099;">Information About John Prendergast:</span></strong><br />John J. Prendergast, Ph.D., is an adjunct assistant professor of psychology at the California Institute of Integral Studies where he has created and taught a class on Transpersonal Counseling Skills for over a decade. He is the author of <em>‘The Chakras in Transpersonal Psychotherapy’</em> in the International Journal of Yoga Therapy (2000), and co-author (with Krystal, Sheila, Krystal, Phyllis, Fenner, Peter, and Shapiro, I. and K.) of <em>‘Transpersonal Psychology, Eastern Philosophy and EMDR’</em>, in Shapiro, F. (ed) EMDR As An Integrative Psychotherapy Approach: Experts of Diverse Orientations Explore the Paradigm Prism, American Psychological Association Books (2002). He has taught a number of workshops for therapists on <em>‘The Energybody in Psychotherapy’</em> and <em>‘Transpersonal Dimensions in Psychotherapy: Presence, Resonance and Inquiry’</em>, and co-organized and presented at the Conferences on Nondual Wisdom and Psychotherapy. He has been in private practice since 1985. He began Transcendental Meditation in 1970 and later taught it; traveled to India on three occasions to be with various teachers including Ammachi, and spent fifteen years with his primary teacher Jean Klein—a European sage who synthesized elements of Advaita Vedanta and Kashmiri Shaivism. He currently studies with Adyashanti (<a target="_blank" href="http://www.paragonhouse.com/catalog/default.php?authors_id=218">Ref</a>). He served as the Center President for the Sri Sathya Sai Baba Center of San Francisco in the early 1980’s and is the webmaster for <a target="_blank" href="http://www.wisdompsy.com/">wisdompsy.com</a>.<br /><br /><strong><span style="color:#000099;">John Prendergast Email Correspondence:</span></strong><br /><strong>Moreno’s First Email To John Prendergast:</strong><br /><br /><blockquote><strong>Date:</strong> Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:11:04 -0800 (PST)<br /><strong>From:</strong> “Joe”<br /><strong>Subject:</strong> Alleged Hislop Letters<br /><strong>To:</strong> johnprendergast@(snipped)<br /><br />Dear John Prendergast,<br /><br />I was kindly wondering if you could verify for me that you are the former president of the Sai Baba center of San Francisco who received the alleged copies of the John Hislop Letters? Were the copies you obtained originals? Were they signed with ink from John Hislop or xeroxed? Are you currently a Sai Baba devotee or have you defected?<br /><br />Sincerely,<br /><br />Joe</blockquote><br /><strong>John Prendergast’s First Response:</strong><br /><blockquote><strong>From:</strong> “John”<br /><strong>To:</strong> “Joe”<br /><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: Alleged Hislop Letters<br /><strong>Date:</strong> Sat, 1 Dec 2007 10:12:46 -0800<br /><br />Dear Joe,<br /><br />I will be happy to respond to your email once you tell me about yourself and why this information is important.<br /><br />kindly, John</blockquote><br /><strong>Moreno’s Second Email To John Prendergast:</strong><br /><br /><blockquote><strong>Date:</strong> Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:25:52 -0800 (PST)<br /><strong>From:</strong> “Joe”<br /><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: Alleged Hislop Letters<br /><strong>To:</strong> “John”<br /><br />Dear John,<br /><br />I am the webmaster for <em>saisathyasai.com</em>, a website devoted to exposing the smear-campaigns of critics, skeptics and ex-devotees of Sathya Sai Baba. As you may know, there is an online controversy regarding the alleged John Hislop Letters, which Conny Larsson claimed you obtained from John Hislop himself when you were the president for the San Francisco Sai Baba Center. These letters document the complaints made by Diana Scott about her son Terry Lee Scott after he was <em>“expelled in disgrace”</em> from Sai Baba’s hostel.<br /><br />Since your name has only recently been mentioned by Conny Larsson, I am attempting to verify that you are the person who received these alleged letters. You are the only known person who (allegedly) originally obtained these letters. Therefore, what I need to know is:<br /><ol><br /><li>Did John Hislop specifically send you a copy of the letters in question, or did you obtain them via other means?</li><br /><li>During which years did you serve as the president for the Sai Baba center of San Francisco?</li><br /><li>What is your personal opinion about the letters. Do you see them as evidence or proof of sexual impropriety?</li><br /><li>Are you a Sai Devotee or have you defected from the Sai Movement. If you defected, can you kindly tell me why?</li><br /><li>Why did you keep the letters and turn them over to the next president of the Sai Center (Timothy Conway)? Were the presidents supposed to pass these letters to their successors, or was it up to them to keep/discard them according to their desire?</li><br /><li>Are you familiar with the story of Diana Scott and her son Terry Lee Scott? Do you know why he was <em>“expelled in disgrace”</em> from the Sai hostel?</li><br /></ol><br />Thank you for any information you may provide. Since there are many speculations surrounding these alleged letters, I would like to obtain factual information.<br /><br />Sincerely,<br /><br />Joe</blockquote><br /><strong>John Prendergast’s Second Response:</strong><br /><blockquote><strong>From:</strong> “John”<br /><strong>To:</strong> “Joe”<br /><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: Alleged Hislop Letters<br /><strong>Date:</strong> Sat, 1 Dec 2007 19:00:14 -0800<br /><br />Dear Joe,<br /><br />I have responded to your questions to the best of my knowledge and have no additional information to add. I am not interested in pursuing this matter any further. I hope this is satisfactory.<br /><br />best wishes, John<br /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;"><em>Did John Hislop specifically send you a copy of the letters in question, or did you obtain them via other means?</em></span><br /><strong>John Prendergast:</strong> I did have the letters before passing them onto Timothy Conway. I don’t recall whether they came to me directly from Jack Hislop or via Don Heath who was a national director and resident at the SF Sai Baba Center where we both lived. They were originals signed in pen by Hislop. Don Heath died in the late 1980’s.<br /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;"><em>During which years did you serve as the president for the Sai Baba center of San Francisco?</em></span><br /><strong>John Prendergast:</strong> The early 1980’s.<br /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;"><em>What is your personal opinion about the letters. Do you see them as evidence or proof of sexual impropriety?</em></span><br /><strong>John Prendergast:</strong> I saw them as evidence of a crisis within the American Sai Organization. Terry Payne’s case was very troubling to me because I had met the family on several occasions. I took the letters as possible evidence of sexual impropriety.<br /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;"><em>Are you a Sai Devotee or have you defected from the Sai Movement. If you defected, can you kindly tell me why?</em></span><br /><strong>John Prendergast:</strong> I am no longer a Sai Devotee. I found myself increasingly drawn to the teachings of Advaita Vedanta and the path of self-inquiry. By the end of the 1980’s I had aligned myself with another teacher and no longer attended Sai gatherings.<br /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;"><em>Why did you keep the letters and turn them over to the next president of the Sai Center (Timothy Conway)? Were the presidents supposed to pass these letters to their successors, or was it up to them to keep/discard them according to their desire?</em></span><br /><strong>John Prendergast:</strong> The letters were kept in a file along with other center guidelines pertinent to the running of a local center that were passed on to each succeeding president. Since these were letters from the President of the American Organization, it seemed important to keep them.<br /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;"><em>Are you familiar with the story of Diana Scott and her son Terry Lee Scott? Do you know why he was “expelled in disgrace” from the Sai hostel?</em></span><br /><strong>John Prendergast:</strong> The parents and their son were occasional visitors to the SF Sai Baba Center, so I had met them before Terry lived in India. I did not see them thereafter. I was not and am not familiar with any of the details of the case. I don’t know why he was expelled.</blockquote><br /><strong><span style="color:#000099;">John Prendergast And The Alleged Hislop Letters:</span></strong><br />Moreno’s email correspondence with John Prendergast regarding the <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/News/march-2005-hislop-letters.html">alleged Hislop Letters</a> are important because they refute several claims attributed to Prendergast by <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/phd-timothy-conway-enlightened-spirituality-wake-up-press.html">Timothy Conway</a>. Strangely enough, neither John Prendergast nor Timothy Conway remember exactly how they originally obtained the alleged Hislop letters in the first place. Although John Prendergast stated that he viewed the alleged Hislop Letters as <em>“possible evidence of sexual impropriety”</em>, he did and said absolutely <strong>nothing</strong> about them and <u>remained</u> in the Sai Org into the late 80’s even though he was a mental health care practitioner.<br /><br />Oddly enough, Timothy Conway (Prendergast’s good friend) <u>repeatedly</u> asserted that <strong>anyone</strong> who knows about possible sexual abuse allegations is <strong>legally mandated</strong> to report it or he/she is an <em>“accomplice in sexual molestation crimes”</em> (<a href="http://timothy-conway-exposed.blogspot.com/2009/05/timothy-conway-and-jack-hawley-letter.html">Ref</a>). Although Timothy Conway made this very argument against <a href="http://timothy-conway-exposed.blogspot.com/2009/05/timothy-conway-and-jack-hawley-letter.html">Jack Hawley</a>, he <strong>failed</strong> and <strong>refused</strong> to apply this <u>same</u> argument against John Prendergast.<br /><br />Using Timothy Conway’s argument and logic against Jack Hawley, John Prendergast is an <em>“accomplice in sexual molestation crimes”</em> because he <strong>failed</strong> in his moral and ethical duty of <em>“mandated reporting”</em>. If Timothy Conway can erroneously accuse Sai Devotees of criminal negligence, I see no reason why he would refuse to apply the <u>same</u> standards to John Prendergast whom (<u>unlike</u> Sai Devotees) <strong>fully acknowledged</strong> they he was in possession of <em>“possible evidence of sexual impropriety”</em>.<br /><br />Moreno’s email correspondence with John Prendergast was <strong>not</strong> intended to be made public. Timothy Conway obtained Moreno’s email correspondence from John Prendergast, sent edited sections of their email correspondence to the <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/exbaba-index.html">Ex-Baba</a> admin and had the Ex-Baba admin publish it on their Anti-Sai website. Timothy Conway <strong>never</strong> informed Moreno that he obtained his email correspondence from John Prendergast and that he had the Ex-Baba admin publish it. Therefore, this webpage was the <strong>direct result</strong> of Timothy Conway’s secrecy and deceit. In the spirit of full disclosure, Moreno is making his <strong>full</strong> email correspondence with John Prendergast public. It is also to be noted that <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-Larsson/larsson-deception.html">Conny Larsson</a> (an Anti-Sai Activist) was the <u>first</u> person to publicly reveal John Prendergast’s name despite his request for confidentiatlity.<br /><br /><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiyRinG109GRN6VtWNLsOIVeVuEQqMM7xKtL7LH_eRAq20oohpqK0qareQefieucIytrrfdufCZ5R7SZUWRyCEmdqql5BjCn93CwEeab5pqdn9nxNg37BeEHB3lTjY27d7XlcLJqzeXAt0/s1600-h/john-prendergast.gif"><img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 320px; height: 114px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiyRinG109GRN6VtWNLsOIVeVuEQqMM7xKtL7LH_eRAq20oohpqK0qareQefieucIytrrfdufCZ5R7SZUWRyCEmdqql5BjCn93CwEeab5pqdn9nxNg37BeEHB3lTjY27d7XlcLJqzeXAt0/s320/john-prendergast.gif" border="0" alt="John Prendergast First Mention"id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5335386934216975634" /></a>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3655118532133905882.post-48018214775127919302009-05-11T11:27:00.000-07:002009-05-11T11:33:31.610-07:00Timothy Conway Response To Datuk J Jegathesan<strong>Timothy Conway Response To Datuk J Jegathesan</strong><br /><br /><strong>Introduction:</strong><br />At <span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">home.hetnet.nl/~ex_baba/engels/articles/Conway1.htm</span>, <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/timothy_conway/">Timothy Conway</a> published a particularly confrontational response to a letter that J.Jagadeesan wrote in October 2000 about the Sai Controversy. This webpage contains Moreno’s response to Timothy Conway’s critique of <a href="http://sathyasaibaba.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/j-jagadeesans-letter-about-the-sathya-sai-baba-controversy/">Datuk J Jegathesan’s Letter</a>.<br /><br /><strong>Moreno’s Comments About Timothy Conway’s Critique Of Datuk J Jegathesan’s Letter:</strong> Jagadeesan’s comments are in <span style="color:#000099;">blue</span>, Conway’s are in <span style="color:#909090;">light grey</span> and <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Joe-Moreno.html">Joe Moreno</a>’s response follows.<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">Timothy Conway: Criticizing the irrational, malicious “defense” of Baba by J. Jagadeesan by Timothy Conway, Ph.D — March 12, 2001 / Dear Friends, J. Jagadeesan, a longtime Sai devotee and prominent Southeast Asian Sai organizational leader and author of Sai literature, in October, 2000 issued a revised “Open Letter” to his Sai Brothers and Sisters. In this letter, he at-tacks those critics of Baba who are concerned about the extensive allegations of criminal sexual behavior. [Note that many of Jagadeesan’s same words and ideas are reiterated by Baba in his 2000 Christmas discourse.] I have already written extensive critical analysis of the written views of prominent American Sai devotee Jack Hawley and author Ram Das Awle. Because Jagadeesan, like Hawley, is such a hugely prominent figure in the Sai movement, his views deserve to be carefully examined and challenged where they err. Hence I present the follow-ing critical response to his open letter to the Sai community. –Timothy Conway</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> This webpage was created to criticize the irrational, malicious and poorly referenced <em>“defense”</em> of Ex-Devotees and alleged victims by PhD Timothy Conway. I have already written a detailed and scathing response to Timothy Conway regarding the <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/jack_hawley/">Jack Hawley Letter</a>. Many of the main points made in my prior response are repeated here because Timothy Conway has a tendency to parrot his feral attacks over and over again, ad nauseam. Consequently, I am forced to repeat my prior arguments so that readers will not think that I have glossed over Timothy Conway’s serious and criminal allegations against Sathya Sai Baba.<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">From the desk of J. Jagadeesan (Malaysia) Date : 30th October 2000 Open Letter – Revised Version!<br />a) All Malaysia Leaders of Sai Centres and Youth Coordinators<br />b) All Youth Coordinators and copied to all Central Coordinators / Zonal leaders<br /><br />Re: The Sai Movement – The Future – The External Threat (Revised Version)<br /><br />Dear Brothers and Sisters,<br />Recently, I sent an open letter to all Malaysian SAI leaders and youth coordinators on the subject of “The Internal Threat” of how behaviour among members, youth and/or leaders can undermine the work done by the or-ganization and the good name of SAI. Subsequently, I addressed the issue of “The External Threat” to the SAI movement. Since this has been well received as useful, I am taking the liberty to send a Revised Version of this letter to all who may be interested.<br /><br />The “INTERNET” has become both a curse and a blessing! A blessings for those who seek to advance the boundaries of knowledge and to communicate good and noble thoughts to all at the click of a button, and a curse to all who use this incredible technology to indulge in filth and negativity! I am specifically referring to the spread of negativity about Bhagawan Baba by forces that have their own agenda of Action!<br /><br />Unfortunately, since youth are the ones who most extensively use the Internet, they are often both the perpe-trators and victims of this insidious campaign to malign the name of one of the noblest beings, who has walked the earth — nay — a Being of Divine Majesty who walks this earth. Let me put this to you in the crudest terms possi-ble, for I have no better way to demonstrate to you the grossness of the actions some are taking! If you see faeces on the ground, would you take it and hand it over to your friend? And after handling the dirt, even if you wash your hand the smell lingers on…at least in your memory!</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">[NOTE FROM TIMOTHY CONWAY (hereafter abbreviated as “TC”): notice how Jagadeesan, rather than address the serious charges made by a growing number of people willing to testify in a court of law to the truth of what has happened to them with Baba’s sexual predatory behavior, instead simply equates these people and other truth-seekers with “faeces-handlers.” This is an attempt to smear (no pun intended) the reputations of those who are trying to uphold Dharma and the laws of the land that would protect children and young adults from sexual abuse.]</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> <strong>To Date:</strong> <span style="text-decoration:underline;">Not even one</span> alleged victim (out of alleged <em>“hundreds to thousands”</em>) has <span style="text-decoration:underline;">even attempted</span> to file a basic police complaint or court case against Sathya Sai Baba in India in the past 10+ years (so much for the claim that alleged victims were willing to testify against Sai Baba in a court of law).<br /><br />One would think that parents of molested children would be the most pro-active in seeking justice for alleged acts of sexual impropriety perpetrated against their children. However, in the case of Sathya Sai Baba, <span style="text-decoration:underline;">not even one</span> parent has come forward and filed a basic police complaint, affidavit, public grievance or court case against Sathya Sai Baba in India (or anywhere else for that matter) for alleged acts of pedophilia (<a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/pedophilia-pedophile-child-sexual-abuse-offender-rings.html">Ref</a>).<br /><br />It is not surprising that Timothy Conway blindly believed the allegations against Sai Baba. Although Timothy Conway possesses a PhD, he is a <strong>gullible</strong> true believer in Gurus <span style="font-size:78%;"><a href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Women_of_Power_and_Grace_testimonials.html" target="_blank">[3]</a></span>, Mystics <span style="font-size:78%;"><a href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Women_of_Power_and_Grace_testimonials.html" target="_blank">[3]</a></span>, Enlightened Masters <span style="font-size:78%;"><a href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Women_of_Power_and_Grace_testimonials.html" target="_blank">[3]</a></span>, psychics <span style="font-size:78%;"><a href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Postmortem_survival_of_the_soul.html" target="_blank">[1]</a></span> <span style="font-size:78%;"><a href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Guidance_on_choices.html" target="_blank">[2]</a></span> <span style="font-size:78%;"><a href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Remote_Viewing.html" target="_blank">[4]</a></span>, levitation <span style="font-size:78%;"><a href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Miracles.html" target="_blank">[5]</a></span>, bi-location <span style="font-size:78%;"><a href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Miracles.html" target="_blank">[5]</a></span>, miracles <span style="font-size:78%;"><a href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Miracles.html" target="_blank">[5]</a></span>, remote-viewing <span style="font-size:78%;"><a href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Remote_Viewing.html" target="_blank">[4]</a></span>, elementals, meditation <span style="font-size:78%;"><a href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Guidance_on_choices.html" target="_blank">[2]</a></span> <span style="font-size:78%;"><a href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/meditation_trends_and_styles.html" target="_blank">[6]</a></span>, paranormal powers <span style="font-size:78%;"><a href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Miracles.html" target="_blank">[5]</a></span>, aliens <span style="font-size:78%;"><a href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Remote_Viewing.html" target="_blank">[4]</a></span> <span style="font-size:78%;"><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Artist-Alien-Dena-Blatt/dp/1432712853/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1196797341&sr=1-1" target="_blank">[10]</a></span>, rebirth <span style="font-size:78%;"><a href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Postmortem_survival_of_the_soul.html" target="_blank">[1]</a></span> <span style="font-size:78%;"><a href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Reincarnation.html" target="_blank">[7]</a></span>, reincarnation <span style="font-size:78%;"><a href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Postmortem_survival_of_the_soul.html" target="_blank">[1]</a></span> <span style="font-size:78%;"><a href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Reincarnation.html" target="_blank">[7]</a></span>, karma <span style="font-size:78%;"><a href="http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:Wt6VH_3yoa0J:www.enlightened-spirituality.org/support-files/6karmas.pdf+site:enlightened-spirituality.org&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=90&gl=us" target="_blank">[8]</a></span>, oracles <span style="font-size:78%;"><a href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Guidance_on_choices.html" target="_blank">[2]</a></span>, I-Ching <span style="font-size:78%;"><a href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Guidance_on_choices.html" target="_blank">[2]</a></span>, sensitives <span style="font-size:78%;"><a href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Postmortem_survival_of_the_soul.html" target="_blank">[1]</a></span> <span style="font-size:78%;"><a href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Guidance_on_choices.html" target="_blank">[2]</a></span>, channelers <span style="font-size:78%;"><a href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Postmortem_survival_of_the_soul.html" target="_blank">[1]</a></span> <span style="font-size:78%;"><a href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Guidance_on_choices.html" target="_blank">[2]</a></span>, astrology <span style="font-size:78%;"><a href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Guidance_on_choices.html" target="_blank">[2]</a></span>, astrologists <span style="font-size:78%;"><a href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Guidance_on_choices.html" target="_blank">[2]</a></span>, palm-reading <span style="font-size:78%;"><a href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Guidance_on_choices.html" target="_blank">[2]</a></span>, non-duality <span style="font-size:78%;"><a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&as_qdr=all&q=+%22nonduality%22+site%3Aenlightened-spirituality.org" target="_blank">[9]</a></span>, etc. (the list goes on and on).<br /><br />Timothy Conway also attempted to argue that <span style="text-decoration:underline;">if</span> Sai Baba possesses paranormal powers, he could easily <em>“warp spacetime”</em> by creating an <em>“insular interdimensional environment”</em> where he could engage in abuse without easy detection. That’s right, Timothy Conway believes that it is possible that Sai Baba molested alleged victims on another dimension, which is why it is so difficult for them to prove their allegations and why there is an abysmal lack of witnesses supporting their claims (<a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/timothy_conway/email-correspondence-timothy-conway.html#timothy_conway_email_10">Ref: Conway Email No. 10</a>).<br /><br /><a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/ex-devotees-critics-skeptics.html">Ex-Devotees</a> have exposed themselves as mentally unstable defamers who <strong>care less</strong> for truth and dharma and <strong>care more</strong> for sleaze and sensationalism.<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">[J. Jagadeesan, hereafter abbreviated as “JJ”] That is why I urge all — “do not read the filth that is being transmit-ted — for even if you doubt and reject every word, the stain will remain and affect your peace if not your devo-tion”. Just click “delete” or toss it into the waste bin!</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">[TC: In other words, says Jagadeesan, collectively stick your head into the sand and go into pathological de-nial in the face of the serious charges about Baba.]</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> This is an amusing response considering that Timothy Conway and Ex-Devotees collectively stick their heads in the sand and go into pathological denial in face of the abysmal <strong>lack</strong> of evidence against Sathya Sai Baba. <span style="text-decoration:underline;">All</span> the internet rumors against Sathya Sai Baba cannot make it into a court of law despite the seriousness of the allegations and despite the rampant claims of <em>“overwhelming evidence”</em> and <em>“irrefutable facts”</em>. If it looks like rhetoric, sounds like rhetoric and is <span style="text-decoration:underline;">unsubstantiated</span> like rhetoric: <strong>It’s Rhetoric!</strong><br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">[JJ:] If you hear someone hurling vile accusations about your father and mother would you pass this on to your friend?</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">[TC: What if your father or mother was a chronic child abuser? You are, under law, actually REQUIRED by the “MANDATED REPORTING” RULES to report such allegations of child molestation and abuse. Otherwise you are an accomplice to the crimes if/when they are prosecuted in a court of law.]</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> Using Timothy Conway’s logic, <em>“hundreds”</em> and possibly <em>“thousands”</em> of alleged victims and their mothers and fathers have <span style="text-decoration:underline;">all</span> (without exception) <strong>refused</strong> to do the <em>“moral”</em> and <em>“ethical”</em> thing as there are <span style="text-decoration:underline;">no</span> <strong>known</strong> <em>“child molestation”</em> charges, court cases or basic police complaints filed against Sathya Sai Baba in India. The alleged parents to these alleged <em>“minors”</em>, <em>“children”</em> and <em>“male youth”</em> have <span style="text-decoration:underline;">all</span> (without exception) <strong>failed</strong> in their legal duty of <em>“mandated reporting”</em> and are thereby (according to Timothy Conway) <em>“accomplices in sexual molestation crimes”</em>. If <em>“hundreds”</em> to <em>“thousands”</em> of parents are <span style="text-decoration:underline;">not</span> complaining about the alleged molestations of their children, why should Sai Devotees make complaints based on internet rumors? This <strong>indisputable fact</strong> strongly solidifies the argument that Sathya Sai Baba <strong>never</strong> molested children.<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">[JJ:] Yet this is what some adults and youth are doing! Some do it in mistaken innocence of a gossip monger, who even though he / she does not believe in the gossip, feels a sense of “self glorification” by being the one to pass on the gossip…with a conniving whisper “have you heard of this?”</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">[TC: None of the serious investigators is a “gossip monger.”]</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> This is a bold-faced <strong>untruth</strong>. <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/timothy_conway/">Timothy Conway</a> is a gossip monger and <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/ex-devotees-critics-skeptics.html">Ex-Devotees</a> are malicious gossip mongers (fully documented with screen-caps, links and their own words). Just one small example: On Timothy Conway’s website, he referenced <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/Premanand/b-premanand-deception.html">Basava Premanand</a>’s book about me (<a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/timothy_conway/praise-endorsement-malicious-defamers.html">Ref</a>). Premanand libeled me (<a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/Premanand/senile-or-liar.html">Ref</a>) and even claimed that I was sexually abused by Sathya Sai Baba (<a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/refuting-allegations-of-sexual-abuse.html">Ref</a>). This is the type of person that PhD Timothy Conway loves to cite against others. Instead of taking a stand for morality, truth and dharma, Timothy Conway takes a stand for libels, defamations and maliciousness. Therefore, Timothy Conway’s Anti-Sai Activism is not surprising in the least and his pro-assessments of Ex-Devotee’s character are disastrously ill-formed, completely biased and patently absurd.<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">[JJ:] There are yet others, whose faith is weak, who have been involved with SAI, at a superficial level even for a long time! Others having possibly been denied of a miracle or favour from SAI, or ignored by Him after consider-able personal attention, eagerly take up this filth and pass it on to others — hoping that others will also equally deny the Divine force and majesty of SAI!</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">[TC: Jagadeesan is basically charging that all who criticize Baba are suffering from a “sour grapes” syn-drome, and this simply is not true. Mature, longtime aspirants who live by an ethics of Sathya, Dharma, Shanti, Prema and Ahimsa instead believe that there are now far too many stories, many supported by sworn affidavits, that something quite terrible has been occurring for at least 30 years -- a sustained pattern of sexual predatory be-havior by Baba toward male youth -- including minors perhaps as young as 8 years old. And I’m not merely talk-ing about Baba’s “annointing the perineum” of males, either. No, we are hearing from trustworthy sources persis-tent allegations of pressure and manipulation by Baba to engage male youth, and have male youth engage him, in forced oral sex and masturbation, often to the point of ejaculation.]</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> It is significant to note that <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">all</span></strong> of the currently vocal critics of Sathya Sai Baba were <strong>never</strong> sexually abused themselves and <strong>never</strong> witnessed an incident of alleged abuse themselves. Even going back to 2001, <strong>Anti-Sai sympathizers</strong> rightly questioned the hearsay allegations against Sai Baba (<a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/hearsay-allegations-since-2001.html">Ref</a>). Therefore, critic’s claims and articles about alleged victims are <strong>entirely</strong> <span style="text-decoration:underline;">hearsay</span> and <span style="text-decoration:underline;">second-hand</span> versions and interpretations to what they speculate may have happened according to stories they heard, read and blindly believed. Therefore, is it <span style="text-decoration:underline;">true</span> the many ex-devotees are suffering from <em>“sour grapes”</em>, including Timothy Conway.<br /><br />Timothy Conway attempted to <strong>con</strong> readers into thinking that there are <em>“signed legal affidavits”</em> against Sathya Sai Baba. This claim is <span style="text-decoration:underline;">wholly</span> <strong>unsubstantiated</strong> and based (ironically) on <em>“gossipy rumors”</em> that Conway blindly believed. As a matter of fact, Timothy Conway fully <span style="text-decoration:underline;">acknowledged</span> to me (via e-mail) that he <strong>never</strong> saw an alleged affidavit for himself but blindly believed the <em>“affidavits”</em> claim based on information relayed to him by the late Glen Meloy. Then (in a subsequent email) Timothy Conway flip-flopped, changed his story and said he based his <em>“affidavits”</em> claim on the <em>India Today</em> article (which stated that Jens Sethi and Hans de Kraker submitted <em>“signed affidavits”</em> to them).<br /><br /><em>India Today’s</em> relevant extract from <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/Witnesses/jens-sethi-sethu.html">Jens & Gurprit Sethi’s</a> account was duplicated (verbatim) from their signed letter to <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/Findings/david_bailey.html">David Bailey</a> (who, since the year 2000, <strong>never</strong> referred to Sethi’s story as an <em>“affidavit”</em>). Jens & Gurprit Sethi’s signed letter to David Bailey was <strong>deceptively</strong> called a <em>“signed affidavit”</em> by <em>India Today</em> even though <span style="text-decoration:underline;">no</span> Anti-Sai Activist <strong>ever</strong> specifically referred to Sethi’s story as an <em>“affidavit”</em>. <em>India Today’s</em> relevant extract from Hans de Kraker’s account was actually taken (verbatim) from a <span style="text-decoration:underline;">private</span> letter he wrote to the French journalist Virginie Saurel. Hans de Kraker told me (via e-mail) that much of his private correspondence was made public <strong>without</strong> his permission. Hans de Kraker’s signed letter to Virginie Saurel was <strong>deceptively</strong> called a <em>“signed affidavit”</em> by <em>India Today</em> even though <span style="text-decoration:underline;">no</span> Anti-Sai Activist <strong>ever</strong> specifically referred to Kraker’s letter as an <em>“affidavit”</em>. Even <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/untouchable_salon_michelle_goldberg_article.html">Michelle Goldberg</a> (who cited the <span style="text-decoration:underline;">same</span> letter in her <em>salon.com</em> article) did <span style="text-decoration:underline;">not</span> refer to the letter as an <em>“affidavit”</em>. Therefore, Jens & Gurprit Sethi and Hans de Kraker’s signed letters were <span style="text-decoration:underline;">not</span> actual <em>“signed affidavits”</em> sworn before a notary as fraudulently claimed by <em>India Today</em> (who were working <span style="text-decoration:underline;">exclusively</span> in collaboration with critics and Ex-Devotees). Furthermore, Jens Sethi and Hans de Kraker were both <strong>adults</strong> (<span style="text-decoration:underline;">not</span> minors) when they had their first alleged encounters with Sai Baba.<br /><br />Ex-Devotees have revealed that they <strong>cannot</strong> distinguish between affidavits (which are sworn before a notary or other officer authorized to administer an oath) and stories that were <span style="text-decoration:underline;">never</span> sworn before a notary or other authorized officer (<a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/open-challenge.html">Ref</a>). Even <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-Priddy/robert-priddy-deception.html">Robert Priddy</a> said that abuse stories were <em>“recorded in various of the affidavits <span style="text-decoration:underline;">on the internet</span>”</em> (totally confusing online stories with affidavits). Timothy Conway <span style="text-decoration:underline;">never</span> saw the alleged affidavits (with a stamp from a notary or signature from an authorized officer) for himself even though he had the audacity to claim (repeatedly) the alleged <em>“affidavits”</em> were signed, legal and in existence.<br /><br />One will also notice how Timothy Conway uses numerous weasel-words (like <em>“alleged”</em>, <em>“perhaps”</em>, <em>“possibly”</em>, <em>“seems”</em>, <em>“probably”</em>, etc.) to phrase the allegations against Sai Baba (which is essentially an <strong>admission</strong> conceding to the limitations and <strong>lack of certainty</strong> pertaining to the allegations). Timothy Conway even claimed that Sathya Sai Baba had molested <em>“minors <span style="text-decoration:underline;">perhaps</span> as young as 8 years old”</em>. This is a gutter and blatant <strong>untruth</strong>.<br /><br />An <strong>anonymous</strong> account in <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/Findings/exbaba-findings.html">The Findings</a> (dubiously attributed to Dr. Bhatia) claimed Sai Baba raped a 7 year-old boy (since <strong>proven</strong> to be <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-Oclery/yahoo-bhatialie.html" target="_blank">a ridiculous lie</a>). Although the story alleged that the 7 year-old rape victim was examined by a doctor in Bangalore (whom allegedly confirmed the <em>“rape”</em>) the doctor did absolutely <strong>nothing</strong> about it, thereby engaging in an illegal cover-up by <span style="text-decoration:underline;">purposely</span> failing to file a police complaint, which he would have been ethically and legally mandated to do (had it actually happened).<br /><br />It remains unclear why the parents to the alleged victim would allow Dr. Bhatia to take their son for a rape examination in Bangalore (some 250km away from Puttaparthi), yet refused to take their own son themselves. Furthermore, the alleged parents to the alleged victim have <strong>never</strong> (ever) filed a basic police complaint or court case against Sai Baba for alleged sexual improprieties. These are the type of <strong>malicious rumors</strong> that Ex-Devotees are notorious for spreading, blindly believing and citing as actual events.<br /><br /><span style="text-decoration:underline;">All</span> of the known stories alleging sexual abuse on the internet do <strong>not</strong> mention <span style="text-decoration:underline;">one word</span> about alleged victims being aroused to the point of ejaculation. As a matter of fact, <span style="text-decoration:underline;">all</span> of the alleged victims (excluding <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-Larsson/larsson-deception.html">Conny Larsson</a>) said they were <strong>not</strong> sexually aroused in the least. <strong>Shame</strong> on Dr. Timothy Conway for spreading these malicious rumors that are <span style="text-decoration:underline;">not</span> supported with credible, verifiable or legal documentation or references.<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">[JJ:] This is the pathetic story of the fox that got its tail cut and is now trying to persuade others that a “cut tail” is the fashionable thing to have! In the story of the “fox that cut its tail” the other foxes saw through the insidious plan of the fox and chased him away! Unfortunately, in the case of SAI Centres and SAI devotees, some “SAI foxes” have unwittingly allowed their tails to be cut and they are thus depriving themselves of the greatest chance of a lifetime!</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">[TC: We have here merely more childish name-calling and misleading analogies given by Jagadeesan to put up a thick smokescreen of fog so that people will not think for themselves and have any empathy for the plight of those trying to conscientiously investigate and expose many dozens of allegations of serious crimes against male children and young men.]</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> Dear reader, keep reading and see who exactly is engaging in <em>“childish name-calling and misleading analogies”</em>. Keep your eyes open for Timothy Conway’s Nazi <em>“name-calling”</em> and Nazi <em>“analogies”</em>. One will also notice how Timothy Conway just said there are <em>“dozens”</em> of allegations made against Sathya Sai Baba (in fact, there are only <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/Witnesses/exbaba-witnesses.html">six non-anonymous accounts</a>). As this article progresses, one will see how PhD Timothy Conway <strong>shamelessly</strong> <span style="text-decoration:underline;">embellishes</span> the numbers of alleged victims from <em>“dozens”</em> to <em>“dozens or hundreds”</em> and finally to <em>“hundreds or thousands”</em>.<br /><br />Timothy Conway <span style="text-decoration:underline;">again</span> mentioned the <strong>fraudulent</strong> <em>“child molestation”</em> claims (which I already discussed and <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/pedophilia-pedophile-child-sexual-abuse-offender-rings.html">refuted</a> in-depth on my website). Timothy Conway blithely tosses around serious and criminal allegations of <em>“child molestation”</em> and thinks it is <strong>entirely</strong> <em>“appropriate”</em> although he <strong>cannot</strong> substantiate his claims with credible, verifiable or legal documentation or references.<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">[JJ:] I say all this with certainty, for I acclaim the Divine Force that SAI represents, from the point view of one who was at one time a strong anti-Sai! It is thus not a blind “herd mentality” that I follow — but a firm conviction from not only my own experience, but that of many other devotees and even beings of the 4th dimension! I have written enough about these in my books “Journey to God” – Parts 1, 2, 3 and 4 to warrant further elaboration.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">[TC: This is, of course, no valid defense of Baba whatsoever. Jagadeesan is merely stating that he has a con-viction about Sai, and that he “acclaims the Divine Force that SAI represents.” But he does not substantiate any of this. Yes, his books tell some wonderful stories about Baba. But Jagadeesan is begging the question about Baba’s shadow side when he simply wants to tell you about the good things regarding Baba. Please realize that criminal pedophiles usually have many wonderful personality characteristics and can accomplish good things, even great things, in the world. This should not distract us from the fact that pedophiles are also committing criminal behav-ior.]</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> Timothy Conway <span style="text-decoration:underline;">again</span> mentioned the <strong>fraudulent</strong> <em>“pedophile”</em> claims (which I already discussed and <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/pedophilia-pedophile-child-sexual-abuse-offender-rings.html">refuted</a> in-depth on my website). Although Timothy Conway demands that Jagadeesan <em>“substantiate”</em> his claims, Timothy Conway does <strong>not</strong> substantiate <span style="text-decoration:underline;">his</span> claims <strong>whatsoever</strong>. Defamers and fanatics can have degrees and wonderful personality characteristics. Their degrees and personality characteristics should not distract us from the fact that defamers and fanatics are engaging in reprehensible behavior that is intellectually and ethically dishonest.<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">[JJ:] It is an amazing frailty of the human mind, that those who have not transformed their lives despite for years hearing and reading the noble, elevating words of SAI, or reading / hearing noble and divine experience of others, are able in a trice to be affected by negativity and filth!! What a searing indictment on the human mind!</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">[TC: Jagadeesan engages here in more character-assassination of those who take seriously the serious allega-tions. What kind of “defense” of Baba is this by Jagadeesan -- merely engaging in a long-winded harangue of name-calling and character-assassination toward those who are deeply disturbed by stories from trustworthy sources?]</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> It is indeed amusing that Timothy Conway is criticizing Jagadeesan for <em>“character assassination”</em>. By making this condemnation, PhD Timothy Conway is contrasting himself as a better person who does <strong>not</strong> engage in character assassination. Unfortunately, as the reader will see, Timothy Conway will soon begin his own form of <em>“character assassination”</em> by accusing Jagadeesan of being <em>“demonic”</em>, making erroneous comparisons between Jagadeesan and the Nazis (a gutter tactic he employed against <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/jack_hawley/">Jack Hawley</a>) and attempting to equate Sathya Sai Baba with <em>“Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Pinochet and many others involved in ongoing atrocities”</em>.<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">[JJ:] What Does Sai Say? Let me quote to all of you an extract of a letter from Sri Indulal Shah, the International Chairman! I quote:</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">[Shah:] “Some time ago I had circulated a quotation from Bhagawan Baba’s divine discourse. I reproduce the same below:-<br /><br />[Baba:] “Many of you are pained by what some papers are indulging in, regarding me! Many are urging that something should be done about it. But, I am holding everyone back, for that is the best way to deal with both praise and blame. The ocean knows no overflowing or drying up. It is ever full, ever majestic and ever uncon-cerned.”<br /><br />[Shah:] In my 35 years of association with Bhagawan, on several occasions He explains such incidents as “fly on an ear of an Elephant” which is not necessary to be disturbed or Baba reminds us that people will throw stones towards trees only if there are fruits. Let us collectively ponder what is our duty? It is our test on the path of experiencing Divinity. What vigil and fences have to be built around our organization? Let us remember nothing happens or moves without His wish. Everything that happens is for good, provided we are conscious of our Duty and personal efforts that should follow.”<br /><br />[Jagadeesan:] If one asks me (i.e. Jega), who will be the one who will bend and break at the first adverse winds of allegations and filth: — it will be those who have remained in the periphery of the organization and those who have lived on the periphery of the SAI message. Also, those who expect something from SAI, those who want His constant personal physical attention, those who live constantly on the margin of SAI’s physical miracles, those who have not lived the message of SAI through Service for mankind and selfless love for all – these are the potential drop-outs!!</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">[TC: Jagadeesan resorts again to his only weapon, attacking the concerned, conscientious critics, accusing them of being “on the periphery,” implying that only those persons of inferior spirituality will listen to the stories about Baba’s sexual predatory behavior. But has it occurred to Jagadeesan, first, that many sincere Baba followers were so turned off by the shallow spirituality, ambitious conceit and lack of empathy among many of the senior Sai Organization leaders (like Goldstein, Jagadeesan, Shah, et al.) that these followers decided not to aspire to-ward greater organizational involvement? Second, Jagadeesan seems to be accusing the concerned critics of not living Baba’s message of “Service for mankind and selfless love for all.” I would submit, on the contrary, that many of Baba’s critics formerly in the Sai movement were longtime, tireless sevakas and many spent hundreds or thousands of hours serving as Center presidents, vice-presidents, Regional officers and coordinators, etc. Third, Jagadeesan should pose himself the question: What happened to the increasing number of formerly staunch devotees of Baba, some of them in his college and high school system, who have left over the last year or two because they could not ethically tolerate what they discovered about Baba’s behavior?]</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> It is a <strong>fact</strong> that <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/ex-devotees-critics-skeptics.html">Anti-Sai Activists</a> viciously attack, defame and libel concerned and conscientious Pro-Sai Activists (and even Sai Devotees who are not involved in the Sai Controversy). Jagadeesan did <strong>not</strong> attack any Ex-Devotee, did not mention any names whatsoever and made no references to any specific Anti-Sai material. Ex-Devotees have attempted to <strong>con</strong> the general public with claims that they are formally <em>“organized”</em>. They are not. Ex-Devotees created the <span style="text-decoration:underline;">bogus</span> <em>“Global Coalition”</em> <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/FDSSB-former_devotees_of_sathya_sai_baba.html">FDSSB</a>, the <span style="text-decoration:underline;">bogus</span> <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/">JuST Group</a>, the <span style="text-decoration:underline;">bogus</span> <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/sathya-sai-baba-and-petition-saipetitionnet.html">Sai Petition</a> and the <span style="text-decoration:underline;">bogus</span> <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/response1.html">Sai Petition Committee</a>. Timothy Conway even allowed his name to be signed to a <strong>fraudulent</strong> <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/News/march-2008-prashanti-council.html">Open Letter To The Prashanti Council</a>. Consequently, the <span style="text-decoration:underline;">only</span> people who engage in feral attacks against others are Anti-Sai Activists.<br /><br />There is little doubt that Sai Devotees have fallen away from Sathya Sai Baba due to the allegations fanatically spread about him by Ex-Devotees. Even I was duped by the allegations and believed them for several years. However, I knew right from the beginning that many stories I read appeared to be motivated by anger, hatred and vindictiveness. This prompted me to investigate the Anti-Sai Movement and the shocking truth I discovered has thoroughly convinced me that Ex-Devotees are not credible or trustworthy. After all, when Ex-Devotees blatantly lie and libel me (<a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Joe-Moreno.html">Ref</a>), what does this say about their claims and allegations against Sathya Sai Baba? I know, from <strong>direct experience</strong>, that Ex-Devotees and critics of Sathya Sai Baba are untruthful, malicious and pathologically obsessed with negativity.<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">[JJ:] Just examine silently those who have “dropped out” or turned against SAI, and you will discover this truth!</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">[TC: One does not discover any such “truth.” See the points made above.]</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> Jagadeesan is right. Silently examine those who have <em>“dropped out”</em> or turned against Sathya Sai Baba and one will find (as I have) that many <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/ex-devotees-critics-skeptics.html">Ex-Devotees</a> are pathologically obsessed with negativity, sex, rumors, gossip and vindictiveness. Several critics of Sai Baba (i.e., <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-Priddy/robert-priddy-deception.html">Robert Priddy</a>, <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-Dadlani/dadlani-deception.html">Sanjay Dadlani</a>, <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-Oclery/anthony-tony-deception.html">Tony O’Clery</a>, <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/usedbybaba.html">UsedByBaba</a>, <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Barbara_Dent.html">Barbara Dent</a> and <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-VanDerSandt/reinier-rfj-sandt-deception.html">R.F.J. Sandt</a>) have used <strong>numerous</strong> incognito internet names, attempting to pass themselves off as various individuals, including Pro-Sai activists and people of the opposite gender. This type of <strong>fully documented</strong> and <strong>very disturbing</strong> online behavior (Refs: <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/QuickTopic/ex-devotees-quicktopic-forum.html">01</a> – <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-VanDerSandt/reinier-van-der-sandt.html">02</a>) strongly argues that many of the allegations against Sai Baba may be entirely <strong>fabricated</strong> by mentally unsound people whose primary goal is to <strong>deceive</strong>. Timothy Conway rather stick his head in the sand and ignore all these <strong>facts</strong> because he is hopelessly attached to his delusions and disinformation and does not want to compromise the Anti-Sai Movement he so heavily endorses and solicits.<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">[JJ:] Do not condemn them! Do not vilify them – only pray that they find Peace and Love in their lives!</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">[TC: These words by Jagadeesan are so unbelievably hypocritical it boggles the mind. He has spent most of his entire letter thus far, and will continue to do so over the rest of his letter, condemning and vilifying the con-cerned critics with name-calling and character assassination, and here he tells his readers “Do not condemn them! Do not vilify them -- only pray that they find Peace and Love in their lives!” He doesn’t realize that the concerned critics are trying to bring some degree of Peace and Love and yes, HEALING, to the victims of Baba’s sexual molestation. The official Sai organization, by contrast, has not brought ANY Peace or Love or Healing to these vic-tims; rather, it has repeatedly tried to cover up the horror and has had the gall to maliciously slander and attack the victims and those who would try to enact justice in this matter.]</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> Once again, where are the victims? Where are their families? Where are the charges, public grievances, basic police complaints or court cases? How is the Sai Organization supposed to address these criminal allegations when <strong>no one</strong> has filed criminal charges?<br /><br />Critics are <span style="text-decoration:underline;">not</span> trying to bring <em>“peace”</em>, <em>“love”</em> or <em>“healing”</em> to alleged victims. <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/ex-devotees-critics-skeptics.html">Former Followers</a> have a <strong>nasty</strong> habit of sexualizing everything pertaining to Sathya Sai Baba and Sai Proponents. This deviant and perverse sexualization of Sai Baba is a highly prevalent tactic employed by former followers (even with absurd claims that Sai Baba is engaging in questionable sexual acts in full view of thousands of devotees while being recorded on video). For example, see the edited Ex-Baba movie clip entitled <a href="http://www.rfjvds.dds.nl/movies/saibabagroin.wmv" target="_blank">Sai Baba Groin</a> (approximately 950kb, wmv file). Ex-Devotees have also maliciously accused me (<a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Joe-Moreno.html">Joe Moreno</a>) of being sexually abused by Sathya Sai Baba despite my repeated clarifications to the contrary (<a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/refuting-allegations-of-sexual-abuse.html">Ref</a>). I have also been targeted by critics and they have created numerous webpages to defame and libel me (<a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/Joe_Moreno_Gerald/attack-webpages-against-moreno.html">Ref</a>). This type of <strong>blatant dishonesty</strong> <span style="text-decoration:underline;">proves</span> that critics are <strong>not</strong> trying to bring <em>“peace”</em>, <em>“love”</em> or <em>“healing”</em> as Timothy Conway ridiculously asserts.<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">[JJ:] Early this year, I released a book called “EVOLUTION – Science of Creation, Life and Living & Spirituality” – perhaps the most difficult challenge in all the books I have been motivated to write! In that book in examining the topic of the human mind, I touched unwittingly (or perhaps divinely guided) on this very topic that is causing so much pain and confusion in the minds of SAI devotees whose faith in yet to be fixed as firmly as the STAR to the crescent moon! I am attaching as an Appendix to this letter a brief extract from that book! For those who have the book, please refer to page 31, section 16 — “The 3 Forces of the Mind” for a fuller elaboration on this subject of the Human Mind and how it causes turbulence in life! [Excerpt from Jagadeesan’s Appendix reproduced here rather than at end of letter:] THE 3 FORCES OF THE MIND–This maya which affects the human mind has actually got three forces, or pol-lutants. One is called MALA, which is dirt, “the pollution”. The other one is the AVARANA SHAKTI, which can be called the cloak — “that which (because of the dirt) covers or disguises”, and the third is VIKSHEPA SHAKTI – what is projected, “the force of projection”. So in the example of the rope and the snake therefore, what is the relevance of the rope and snake in real life? It is this! The darkness represents the mala, the dirt and this creates the AVARANA SHAKTI, the cloak (that blurs the vision). The cloak is our inability to see through the darkness. The rope is an innocent object, but the VIKSHEPA SHAKTI (the force of projection), projects a snake onto the rope:- the moment the mind projects, every emotion is aroused in the person, fear, everything for a non-existent object – only because of his VIKSHEPA SHAKTI – ‘Projection’.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">[TC: What Jagadeesan has done is simply bring out the classic analysis of primordial ignorance by Shankara and his followers in the line of Advaita Vedanta. It has no relevance to the discussion of the Sai controversy at hand. Jagadeesan is just as involved in Mala, Avarana Shakti, and Vikshepa Shakti as any of the critics who might not be perfectly realized Jnanis/Sages.]</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> Actually, this paragraph <span style="text-decoration:underline;">is</span> relevant to the Sai Controversy. As a matter of fact, <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-Priddy/robert-priddy-deception.html">Robert Priddy</a> has written a great deal about <em>“projection”</em> and how he believes that Sai Devotees essentially <em>“project”</em> the positive onto Sai Baba. However, what Robert Priddy <strong>failed</strong> to discuss is how Ex-Devotees essentially project the negative onto Sai Baba. So if Timothy Conway does not think that the <em>“projection”</em> discussion is relevant to the Sai Controversy, then he just invalidated a great portion of Robert Priddy’s writings.<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">[JJ:] If you read the attached — you will see that this is the science of mind – the mind reflects onto external ob-jects that which its nature — it own perceptions! If you are aware as to who are the principle perpetrators of these vile accusations against SAI, (and the nature of their minds), you may come to your own conclusions! The other weaker minds only follow in innocence!</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">[TC: By this logic, Martin Luther King, Jr. and the heroic civil rights protestors were all “projecting” their own negativity in condemning racial prejudice and calling certain white supremacists “racist.” The French Resis-tance heroes and heroines were all “projecting” their own negativity in condemning Nazi atrocities and calling the Nazis “fascist.” And so on. Now, in the present case, those who are deeply concerned about the ethical improprieties inherent in Baba molesting children are “projecting” their own negativity by calling what is happening to Baba’s youthful victims “sexual molestation” and suggesting that Baba is, according to the conventions of human law, behaving criminally! Note that, using Jagadeesan’s silly logic, he himself, by engaging in this long-winded, verbiose criticism of Baba’s critics, is himself “projecting” the entire thing out of his own negativity!]</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> There is absolutely <span style="text-decoration:underline;">no</span> comparison between Martin Luther King, the French Resistance heroes and heroines and Ex-Devotees! Talk about delusions of grandeur!<br /><br />Timothy Conway <span style="text-decoration:underline;">again</span> mentioned the <strong>fraudulent</strong> <em>“child molestation”</em> claims (which I already discussed and <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/pedophilia-pedophile-child-sexual-abuse-offender-rings.html">refuted</a> in-depth on my website). When the alleged victims and their mothers and fathers have <span style="text-decoration:underline;">all</span> (without exception) refused to file charges, public grievances, basic police complaints and court cases against Sathya Sai Baba in India, Timothy Conway should not fault Sai Devotees for doubting and dismissing the allegations as baseless and unsubstantiated internet rumors.<br /><br />Timothy Conway has inadvertently refuted a great portion of <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-Priddy/robert-priddy-deception.html">Robert Priddy</a> writings in which he claims that Sai Devotees <em>“project”</em> the positive onto Sathya Sai Baba. Of course, if Ex-Devotees can use this illogic against Sai Devotees, then I fail to see why Ex-Devotee’s whine and snivel when their <strong>same</strong> arguments are mirrored back at them.<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">[JJ:] <strong>“Close Devotees”</strong>: Some of you have been stunned by the fact that so called “close devotees” of SAI have dropped out because of this filth that is being spread through their ears and eyes and into their minds! Devotees who have had so many “interviews”, those who have received Baba’s divine manifestations (rings, pendants, etc) have dropped out and so our jaws drop in amazement! But, is this so unusual? Who betrayed Christ? Was it His enemies or those closest to Him?</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">[TC: Jagadeesan stoops even lower here, suggesting that Baba’s critics are like Judas. But the retort that we concerned critics would issue is this: Was Jesus alleged to have sexually molested hundreds of minors? Was Jesus telling children that, unless they had sex with him, then he would not see their parents? Was Jesus paying children for sexual favors? Of course not. Yet this is what is being alleged about Baba by credible eyewitnesses who claim to have experienced this unseemly side of Baba. So Jagadeesan’s analogy falls flat on its face.]</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> Once again, Timothy Conway is basing his arguments on his <strong>fraudulent</strong> <em>“child molestation”</em> claims (which I already discussed and <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/pedophilia-pedophile-child-sexual-abuse-offender-rings.html">refuted</a> in-depth on my website). Therefore, Timothy Conway’s argument falls flat on its face.<br /><br />It is also significant to note that although <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-Dadlani/dadlani-deception.html">Sanjay Dadlani</a> (a vocal Ex-Devotee) was caught requesting <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-Dadlani/sinjay-google-groups.html">Jesus Pornography</a> (he even <span style="text-decoration:underline;">admitted</span> to making the requests), you will not find Timothy Conway expressing <span style="text-decoration:underline;">any</span> concern regarding this perverse behavior <strong>whatsoever</strong>. Sanjay Dadlani was also caught photographing teenagers and unsuspecting female students at Middlesex University in the UK with his digicam (filming them on the streets, at bus stands and under tables) and posted hundreds of photographs on his <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-Dadlani/Trashy-Kinky-Blog/">Street Bitches</a> blog. Even the webmaster for the <a href="http://www.lakeofflowers.com/" target="_blank">Lake Of Flowers</a> website (who happens to be friends with Sanjay) caught him in this shocking behavior and wrote an email documenting his findings for me to forward to University Officials (which I did). Needless to say, one will <strong>not</strong> find <span style="text-decoration:underline;">even one</span> Ex-Devotee (including Timothy Conway) expressing <span style="text-decoration:underline;">any</span> type of concern over this deviant and illegal exploitation of women and female teenagers. This <strong>proves</strong> that Ex-Devotees alleged sensitivities to sexual exploitation are huge and hypocritical pretenses.<br /><br />Where is your dharma, morality and ethics now, Timothy Conway?<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">[JJ:] And did not Christ know who would deny and betray him and yet He treated them with love! Who dared wage a war against Krishna – those who were His enemies or those who went to Him seeking His help and to whom He gave His army to? Was not Ravana, the Asura who turned against Rama, close to Divinity, for was it not from the Divine that he received his powers? Was not Hiranyakasipu (the father of Prahlada), the Asura who turned against the Devas and even Narayana Himself, close to Divinity – for was it not Divinity who conferred on him the awesome powers he used, to deny Divinity!</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">[TC: Jagadeesan is trying to paint all concerned critics of Baba’s criminal pedophilia with the same brush, tarring them by associating them with Judas, the demon Ravana, the demon Hiranyakasipu, and the demonic enemies of Krishna. This attack strategy by Jagadeesan really stinks -- it is completely bereft of any integrity whatsoever. Rather than compassionately address the legitimate questions, concerns, and grievances of Baba’s critics, Jagadeesan, in knee-jerk fashion, can only lash out with A FURY OF NEGATIVITY THAT IS, ITSELF, DEMONIC in its lack of compassion, loving-kindness, and understanding. But rather than imply that Jagadeesan is a “demon” (I don’t like stooping to his level), I would simply invite him with all my heart to please try to look at this situation objectively and see that Baba’s critics aren’t the embodiment of some evil, demonic force. Rather, we are only trying to STOP AN ONGOING EVIL: the manipulative molestation of male youth by a guru who appears to have a colossal shadow side involving an insatiable sexual appetite.]</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> Timothy Conway <span style="text-decoration:underline;">again</span> mentioned the <strong>fraudulent</strong> <em>“pedophile”</em> claims (which I already discussed and <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/pedophilia-pedophile-child-sexual-abuse-offender-rings.html">refuted</a> in-depth on my website).<br /><br />Jagadeesan is <strong>not</strong> comparing Ex-Devotees to demons. He simply pointed out that every Avatar has been attacked by contrary forces. With Rama, the contrary forces happened to be Ravana and various demons. With Krishna, the contrary forces happened to be various individuals and demons. With Jesus, the contrary forces happened to be various individuals. With Sathya Sai Baba, the contrary forces happen to be various individuals. Timothy Conway is twisting Jagadeesan’s words and misrepresenting them in an apparent effort to incite susceptible purveyors of malice and hatred. Timothy Conway’s intellectually dishonest behavior really stinks and is completely bereft of any integrity whatsoever.<br /><br />After whining about Jagadeesan comparing critics to demons, what did Timothy Conway do? He turned around and accused Jagadeesan of being <em>“demonic”</em>! After accusing Jagadeesan of being <em>“demonic”</em>, Timothy Conway said he rather <span style="text-decoration:underline;">not</span> <em>“imply”</em> that Jagadeesan was demonic (after he already did). Then, in another twist, after accusing Jagadeesan of being <em>“demonic”</em>, Timothy Conway ranted (in his signature pseudo-spiritual style) about Sathya Sai Baba being an <em>“ONGOING EVIL”</em>. Don’t expect PhD Timothy Conway to substantiate his claim that Sathya Sai Baba <em>“appears to have a colossal shadow side involving an insatiable sexual appetite”</em>. He doesn’t.<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">[JJ:] The Puranas and the history of all great souls are replete with stories of those who, once close, than turned against the Divinity they worshipped!</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">[TC: I could counter that history is replete with stories of sycophantic “yes-men” who came to the defense of people like Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Pinochet, and many others involved in ongoing atrocities.]</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> Far be it for Timothy Conway to speak when he is one of those <em>“yes-men”</em> he loves to criticize. One will notice how Timothy Conway (sounding very much like an extremist and fanatic) tried to equate Sathya Sai Baba with <em>“Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Pinochet and many others involved in ongoing atrocities”</em>. This is not surprising considering that Timothy Conway even compared the sexual abuse allegations to <strong>alien abductions</strong>, believing that if Sathya Sai Baba possesses genuine paranormal powers, he could have molested alleged victims on alternate dimensions (<a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/timothy_conway/email-correspondence-timothy-conway.html#timothy_conway_email_10">Ref: Conway Email No. 10</a>)!<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">[JJ:] How many of you are aware of the vile accusations hurled against the Buddha and Ramakrishna Parama-hamsa, during their respective lifetimes. And even on Jesus Christ even to this present day and age? How many are aware that like Bhagawan Baba (to avoid the chance of worse scandal) these great souls – (Buddha, Rama-krishna Paramahamsa and Jesus) surrounded themselves with only male devotees! And because of this, lower minds concocted their own filth and scandalized these great souls in the one area where no proof is possible, and no amount of denial can wash away the taint of evil, when once the accusation is made!</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">[TC: Jagadeesan again is speaking in a most irrational way. Jesus, the Buddha and Ramakrishna did not have dozens or hundreds of people stepping forth with persuasively similar allegations of sexual molestation.]</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> Muktananda, Gurumayi, Ramakrishna (who was accused of being a homosexual and a child molester by Jeffrey Kripal: <a href="http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~kalischi/" target="_blank">Ref</a>), Neem Karoli Baba, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Chogyam Trunpa, Yogi Bhajan, Swami Satchidananda, Dalai Lama (see “Stripping the Gurus”), Sri Chinmoy, Mother Teresa (see John M. Swomley’s critical book), Meher Baba (who was/is often attacked by Christian Fundamentalists as a deceiver and false messiah), Yogananda, Jiddu Krishnamurthi, Swami Premananda, Jesus (the Gospel of St. Mark debate that some believe described a homosexual relationship between Jesus and a youth he raised from the dead and the Mary Magdalene debate), Mohammad, Ammachi (quite a few people have leveled numerous allegations against her) and others have been embroiled in controversy (including allegations of sexual impropriety). It seems to me that Timothy Conway has a self-serving, belief-preserving habit of naming <strong>only</strong> those gurus who do not <em>seem</em> to have controversies surrounding them and uphold them as life-savers to keep his faith afloat.<br /><br />As the reader will notice, Timothy Conway here embellished his former number of alleged victims from <em>“dozens”</em> to <em>“dozens or hundreds”</em>. Soon, Timothy Conway will again embellish his numbers to <em>“hundreds to thousands”</em>. This type of shameless exaggeration is indicative of a chronic propagandist who lacks credibility and integrity.<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">[JJ:] It is perhaps because of this that Islam requires 4 eyewitnesses before a person can be charged for behaviour against norms of morality!</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">[TC: Jagadeesan may not be aware that, at this point in time, a few dozen signed affidavits have been made by a growing multitude of eyewitnesses -- young men and boys -- all willing to state their case in a court of law, that Baba has sexually abused them.]</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> Timothy Conway again resorted to his faulty <em>“sworn affidavits”</em> argument. This time around, however, Timothy Conway <strong>exaggerated</strong> and claimed that alleged victims were willing to go on record (even in a court of law) and say that Sai Baba molested them as minors. <strong>Where</strong> did Timothy Conway get this information from? Although Timothy Conway told me he got his <em>“sworn affidavits”</em> information from the <em>India Today</em> article and Glen Meloy (on whose word he blindly accepted), it is peculiar that Jens Sethi and Hans de Kraker were <strong>adults</strong> when they had their alleged unsavory experiences with Sai Baba (<span style="text-decoration:underline;">not</span> <em>“minors”</em> or <em>“boys”</em> as spuriously alleged by Conway). No one has been able to produce <strong>even one</strong> affidavit from <span style="text-decoration:underline;">any</span> alleged victim. In 10+ years, <span style="text-decoration:underline;">no</span> alleged victim has <strong>ever</strong> filed a court case against Sai Baba in India, thus refuting the claim that alleged victims said (and where did they make that claim to begin with?) they would testify in a court of law that they were <em>“molested as minors”</em>. As discussed earlier, Timothy Conway’s unsupported claims of <em>“child molestation”</em> have been refuted in my article entitled <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/pedophilia-pedophile-child-sexual-abuse-offender-rings.html">False Pedophile Allegations Against Sathya Sai Baba</a>. The main thrusts to Timothy Conway’s arguments are based on stories and Anti-Sai propaganda that he read and <strong>blindly believed</strong>.<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">[JJ:] But these great beings prevailed; for dirt cannot taint the purity of the sky! Dirt flung upwards will ultimately descend on the perpetrators of the filth and the sky continues unperturbed continuing to offer its beauty to the accusers!! Bhagawan Baba has declared as such (refer earlier quotation).</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">[TC: Jagadeesan is here merely issuing idle threats that “dirt” will come back upon those flinging it. As long as we’re talking about “karmuppance,” let’s compassionately remember that covering up criminal pedophilia brings its own terrible karmic retribution. We critics are actually trying to spare the Jagadeesans and Shahs and Goldsteins long, stiff jail sentences (and, ironically, possible sexual abuse from male inmates and prison guards!) for being accomplices in these ongoing crimes committed by Baba.]</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> More fanatic and absurd argumentation by Timothy Conway. Dr Conway should be more concerned about <em>“compassionately”</em> sparing the <em>“hundreds”</em> to <em>“thousands”</em> of alleged victim’s mothers and fathers from <em>“stiff jail sentences”</em> (and <em>“possible sexual abuse from inmates and prison guards”</em>) for being accomplices in alleged crimes they <span style="text-decoration:underline;">all</span> (without exception) have thus far <strong>ignored</strong>. Once again, <strong>why</strong> should Jagadeesan, Goldstein or Shah make complaints when the alleged parents to alleged victims haven’t made any? This is the question that Timothy Conway should be asking, but doesn’t.<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">[JJ:] If Jesus who had 11 disciples, had in his last moments, one who denied Him and another who betrayed Him, can one imagine what one can expect of the Sai phenomena, who has millions who revere Him! Only a little intelligence is required to ascertain the TRUTH.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">[TC: Again, Jagadeesan is using juvenile, faulty logic here, and is also maliciously comparing Baba’s critics to so many Judases. Almost all of these critics want nothing to do with money or fame in exposing Baba’s ongoing molesting of children. They simply, compassionately want to SAVE THE CHILDREN AND YOUNG MEN!]</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> Timothy Conway, take your shrieking and foaming-at-the-mouth <em>“SAVE THE CHILDREN AND YOUNG MEN”</em> campaign to the alleged victim’s parents who have <span style="text-decoration:underline;">all</span> (without exception) <strong>refused</strong> to speak or act on behalf of their alleged children’s molestations. Far be it for critics to posture themselves as moral guardians and stand in place of parents who have <strong>never</strong> (ever) claimed (even once) that Sathya Sai Baba molested his/her <em>“child”</em>. Critics exhibit all the behaviors of hatred, vindictiveness, anger, obsessiveness and mental instability. Critic’s caustic rodomontades are actually documented psychological behaviors described as the <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/bryan-ronald-wilson-apostates-apostasy-cults.html">‘apostate syndrome’</a>.<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">[JJ:] Has any living being on earth, in his own lifetime motivated so much good and godly work for the needy and manifested so much transformation in millions — to go beyond self and to serve the poor, sick and the needy?</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">[TC: This point by Jagadeesan highlights the tragedy we have here: namely that Sathya Sai Baba HAS been a force for so much good. But, in what appears to be the most amazing “Jekyll and Hyde” story in the history of humanity, it now seems quite clear that Baba also has a raging sexual appetite, and he psychologically coerces and manipulates young men and boys to satisfy this sexual hunger.]</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> It is only a <em>“Jekyll and Hyde Story”</em> for those who blindly believe the gossipy rumors they hear and read on the internet. Notice how Timothy Conway used the weasel-word <em>“seems”</em> to describe his allegation that Sathya Sai Baba has a <em>“raging sexual appetite”</em>. Timothy Conway attempts to psychologically coerce and manipulate readers with disinformation and propaganda to satisfy <span style="text-decoration:underline;">his</span> hunger and rapacious appetite for gossip and pseudo-intellectual tripe. Timothy Conway sincerely believes the allegations are true, just as he sincerely believes that Sathya Sai Baba may molest alleged victims like aliens are alleged to do through abductions. Rather pathetic and laughable, if you ask me.<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">[JJ:] Would anyone need to set-up such a huge worldwide edifice of selfless service and human values, would anyone have to set up free Super Specialty Hospitals and free Universities and schools in India and around the world and give life saving water to the poor and the needy, to merely seek opportunities to indulge in the type of filth that is being passed around?</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">[TC: Jagadeesan’s structuring of his question, “Would anyone need to… Would anyone have to…” is mis-leading. Beyond Jagadeesan’s misdirection ploy, the simple fact, most unfortunately, is that Baba, regardless of his “needing” or “having to,” IS molesting boys and young men. Jagadeesan also does not address the serious charges made in “The Findings” written/compiled by David and Faye Bailey, charges also made in other writings and oral venues, that the Supere Specialty Hospital is NOT as “wonderful” as it has been hyped, nor has the water project been anywhere near as “successful” as claimed.]</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> Timothy Conway is again repeating his <strong>fraudulent</strong> <em>“child molestation”</em> claims (which I already discussed and <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/pedophilia-pedophile-child-sexual-abuse-offender-rings.html">refuted</a> in-depth on my website).<br /><br />I have provided detailed responses to <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/Findings/david_bailey.html">David Bailey</a>’s <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/Findings/exbaba-findings.html">The Findings</a>. One will notice how Timothy Conway (in true pseudo-intellectual style) cited David Bailey to undermine and spread doubts about Sathya Sai Baba’s Super Specialty Hospital and Water Project.<br /><br />Sathya Sai Baba’s prestigious Super Speciality Hospitals have received tremendous amounts of positive feedback from many high ranking Indian officials and doctors from all around the world (Refs: <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20060515201343/http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/jan172006/spectrum106442006117.asp" target="_blank">01</a> – <a href="http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2001/01/20/stories/0220000b.htm" target="_blank">02</a> – <a href="http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/900126016.cms" target="_blank">03</a> – <a href="http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/articleshow?msid=646815" target="_blank">04</a> – <a href="http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/39970476.cms" target="_blank">05</a>). Unlike PhD Timothy Conway’s pseudo-intellectual references to propaganda, the references I cited were published in newspapers and are <strong>verifiable</strong>.<br /><br />Similarly, Sathya Sai Baba’s water projects were all successful and have received a tremendous amount of praise from high ranking Indian officials throughout India. The first drinking water project (completed in 1996) supplies water to 1.2 million people in 730 villages in the drought-prone Anantapur district in Andhra Pradesh. The second drinking water project, completed in 2004, supplies water to Chennai (formerly known as Madras) through a rebuilt waterway named <em>“Sathya Sai Ganga Canal’</em>. The Chennai water drinking project was praised by Tamil Nadu Chief Minister, M Karunanidhi. Karunanidhi said that although he is an atheist, he differentiated between good spiritual leaders like Sathya Sai Baba and fake godmen. The third drinking water project, expected to be completed supplied water from the Godavari River to half a million people living in five hundred villages in East and West Godavari Districts. Other completed water projects include the <em>Medak District Project</em> benefiting 450,000 people in 179 villages and the <em>Mahbubnagar District Project</em> benefiting 350,000 people in 141 villages. In January 2007, the Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust revealed that it would undertake another drinking water project in Latur, Maharashtra (Refs: <a href="http://www.hindu.com/2004/02/13/stories/2004021301330500.htm" target="_blank">01</a> – <a href="http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/features/saibaba/stories/2005112300260200.htm" target="_blank">02</a> – <a href="http://www.hindu.com/2004/12/01/stories/2004120113280300.htm" target="_blank">03</a> – <a href="http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/mp/2003/06/25/stories/2003062500110300.htm" target="_blank">04</a>). Again, unlike PhD Timothy Conway’s pseudo-intellectual references to propaganda, the references I cited were published in newspapers and are <strong>verifiable</strong>.<br /><br />Timothy Conway blindly believes everything negative he hears about Sathya Sai Baba and trivializes, doubts and dismisses all the good he hears about Sathya Sai Baba (clearly pointing to his Anti-Sai agenda). Instead of citing <em>The Findings</em>, why couldn’t PhD Timothy Conway put his scholarly researching skills to good use and actually substantiate David Bailey’s claims with <strong>verifiable</strong> references from <strong>credible</strong> media sources? I’ll tell you why: Timothy Conway is a propagandist who uses his <em>‘PhD’</em> title as a distraction and ploy to push his rhetoric, pseudo-morality and pseudo-spirituality against Sathya Sai Baba, Sai Devotees and Sai Proponents.<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">[JJ:] Are the vibuthi manifestations occuring spontaneously in hundreds of homes around the world, outpouring of kum kum, honey etc, of people’s illness being cured and lives being saved by merely an application of SAI Vibuthi, a touch of His hand, or a prayer to Him, so much a figment of the imagination OR is this not the greatest manifestation of Divine Power that the world has ever witnessed?</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">[TC: This is a false argument. I myself and numerous other concerned critics grant that amazing and beautiful things are happening around or through the name/form of Sathya Sai Baba. Jagadeesan sets up a false choice limited by the “either-or” Aristotelian logic: he’s trying to force us into thinking that just because amazing things are happening around Sai that THEREFORE Baba must be God and that none of the improprieties are happening. He and other Sai apologists also beg the question as to the source of the miracles around Baba. Is it the personality of the Divine avatar Sathya Narayana Raju doing all these things? Or is it the power of God utilizing the name/form of Sathya Sai? For that matter, it could be Sai Baba of Shirdi who is doing these things through Sathya Narayana Raju, and the latter personality has a shadow side of out-of-control sexual hunger.]</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> <span style="text-decoration:underline;">If</span> the <strong>world-wide</strong> miracles and manifestations attributed to <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/">Sathya Sai Baba</a> are true (which even <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-Pittard/barry-pittard-deception.html">Barry Pittard</a> believes to be the case: <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-Pittard/z-sai-baba-genuine-paranormal-powers.html">Ref</a>), these events would be <span style="text-decoration:underline;">unprecedented</span> in known history or myth and indicative of a spiritual power that one simply cannot attribute to an ordinary person or yogi. For a small glimpse into these <strong>international</strong> manifestations, see:<br /><ul><br /><li><a href="http://www.saibabaofindia.com/swami's_leela_in_uk.htm">Sai Baba Manifestations At Sai Sruti Temple in Harrow, Middlesex, UK</a></li><br /><li><a href="http://www.saibaba.ws/miracles2/rajivadatia.htm">Sathya Sai Baba Vibhuti Manifestations in a Devotee’s House in London</a></li><br /><li><a href="http://www.saibabaofindia.com/divine_vibhuti_miracle_at_bali.htm">Satya Sai Baba Vibuthi Manfestations In Bali, Indonesia</a></li><br /><li><a href="http://www.osaibaba.com/mandir.htm">Sai Baba Manifestations In Colusa, California</a></li><br /><li><a href="http://www.saibaba.ws/miracles/orphanagemysore.htm">Sai Baba Manifestations At Sri Ragnapatnam, Mysore, India</a></li><br /><li><a href="http://www.saisruti.org.uk/pages/photo-gallery.php">Sai Sruti’s Sai Baba Miracle Photos Galleries</a></li><br /><li><a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/vibuthi-rudraksha-manifestations.html">Amazing Vibuthi With Rudraksha Manifestations</a></li><br /><li><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/omkumarkv">Stunning Miracle Pictures And Manifestations As Recent As 2008</a></li><br /></ul><br />Shirdi Sai Baba <strong>never</strong> manifested miracles and materializations on a scale as vast and as profuse as those attributed to Sathya Sai Baba. So it is rather amusing when Timothy Conway attempts to argue that Sathya Sai Baba is a <em>“contaminated channel”</em> for Shirdi Sai Baba or that Shirdi Sai Baba is working these miracles through Sathya Sai Baba.<br /><br />Another important argument that I think Jagadeesan made was: If Sathya Sai Baba possesses this type of paranormal power, then his actions (not matter how enigmatic) cannot be equated with those or an ordinary human being. Of course, Hindu scriptures (which Timothy Conway is a strong promoter and believer) talks about numerous perceived atrocities and questionable behaviors associated with Avatars. For example, Parasurama, the ax-wielding Avatar, was said to have slaughtered every adult Kshatriya on Earth twenty-one times (filling five lakes with blood) because he was filled with revenge at his father’s murder. Instead of condemning Parasurama as a blood-thirsty murderer, he is hailed as an incarnation of Vishnu that relieved the Earth of sinful, destructive and irreligious individuals. Hindu scriptures state that no matter how seemingly immoral or inappropriate an Avatar’s behavior might be, it serves a purpose that humans cannot comprehend. Avatar’s status are determined by the opulences and powers they manifest.<br /><br />I think the only person who is a <em>“contaminated channel”</em> for love and light is Dr. Timothy Conway.<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">[JJ:] Use your own judgement! Has your life not changed?</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">[TC: Again, it is easily seen that millions of followers of Sai have undergone profoundly positive transformations by becoming dedicated aspirants and sevakas in the Sai movement. This still does not in any way offset what now appears to be an INCONTROVERTIBLE EMPIRICAL FACT: Sathya Sai Baba has criminally molested hundreds or thousands of male youth.]</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> Notice how Timothy Conway again uses the weasel-word <em>“appears”</em>. Now Timothy Conway is asserting that there are <em>“hundreds or thousands”</em> of molestations. At the beginning of this letter, Timothy Conway first alleged there were <em>“dozens”</em> of molestations. Then Timothy Conway changed the number to <em>“dozens or hundreds”</em> of molestations. Now, Timothy Conway is alleging there are <em>“hundreds or thousands”</em> of molestations. Timothy Conway has <strong>no clue</strong> what he is talking about. He engages in shameless rumor-mongering and attempts to pass off his erroneous accusations and blatant exaggerations as Holy Writ. It is exactly these types of shabby and conspiratorial arguments that make Timothy Conway appear kooky and unbelievable.<br /><br />In addition, Timothy Conway cannot take a consistent position for or against Sai Baba:<br /><ul><br /><li><span class="important"><strong>Timothy Conway:</strong></span> <em>“ I remain convinced that there are paranormal miracles (wondrous anomalies), and ‘deep, mysterious energies,’ perhaps involving multi-dimensional physics and paranormal or supra-normal power, that are occurring around and through the personality of Sathya Sai Baba.”</em></li><br /><li><span class="important"><strong>Timothy Conway:</strong></span> <em>“Sathya Sai could be an amazingly accomplished but fallen yogi (yogabhrashta)…”</em></li><br /><li><span class="important"><strong>Timothy Conway:</strong></span> <em>“We should also be aware that these energies and powers could be coming from Sai Baba of Shirdi and/or the Divine Absolute…”</em></li><br /><li><span class="important"><strong>Timothy Conway:</strong></span> <em>“Perhaps he is just a highly adept but fallen yogi or an inter-dimensionally powerful but contaminated ‘channel’ for the former Sai Baba of Shirdi (d.1918).”</em></li><br /><li><span class="important"><strong>Timothy Conway:</strong></span> <em>“the powers of someone who has some ‘elemental spirits’ or other entities helping him from interdimensional planes? (–no joke: it’s a very old, worldwide knowledge that one can derive certain powers by contacting such entities).”</em> <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/timothy_conway/email-correspondence-timothy-conway.html#timothy_conway_email_8">Ref: Conway Email No. 8</a>.</li><br /><li><span class="important"><strong>Timothy Conway:</strong></span> <em>“Now, a purna avatar would, it seems, incarnate the totality of God, including the polarity play of light-dark, purity-mischief, unattachment-lust, and so on. This is a disturbing concept, but perhaps quite applicable to Baba’s controversial activity. Moreover, the sexual activity, which we now know to apparently involve considerable lust, might be Baba’s way of transmuting the very heavy sexual energy among humanity at this time on the planet.”</em></li><br /><li><span class="important"><strong>Timothy Conway:</strong></span> <em>“I have sometimes thought that Sai is lustfully ‘taking on’ (on a psychic level) the lust of humanity to clear our sexual karma.”</em></li><br /><li><span class="important"><strong>Timothy Conway:</strong></span> <em>“I grant that much or most of Baba’s spectacular mission has been about teaching and demonstrating Love.”</em></li><br /><li><span class="important"><strong>Timothy Conway:</strong></span> <em>“I do believe that there has been an astonishing amount of genuine goodness, compassion and spiritual upliftment in and around Baba.”</em></li><br /></ul><br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">[JJ:] Perhaps not, if you are still at the level of the SAI form, SAI miracles and SAI bhajans! But, if you are one who has plunged into making the SAI message a part of your life, your own experience, your own awe regarding what good work has been done and can be achieved to benefit all, will be the only witness you need to testify to the Divine grandeur and the transforming power of the Avarthar of the Kali Yuga!</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">[TC: More fluff. And Jagadeesan has not established for a fact that Baba is the “Avarthar” (sic, Avatar) of the Kali Yuga.]</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> Many Sai Devotees believe (from their own first-hand experiences, miracles and observations) that Sathya Sai Baba is an Avatar. Jagadeesan’s letter was written and intended for Sai Devotees, not for Timothy Conway or Ex-Devotees. Therefore, the context of Jagadeesan’s letter is to be understood in this light.<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">[JJ:] In the Greek legend, Ulysses had to plug his ears and that of his fellow shipmates, so that the false and tempt-ing voices of the “sirens” would not lead them to disaster, as they searched for the golden fleece! Now in our voyage for the “golden age”, the voices of modern sirens are tempting devotees away from Faith, Belief, Goodness and Love, to hate and negativity! This is the Ying / Yang Phenomena, the eternal battle between good and evil and Divinity stands in the middle, blessing all to work out their own karma!</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">[TC: We’ve got yet more name-calling here: according to Jagadeesan, Baba’s critics are “modern sirens” trying to bring disaster and negativity to the dogmatic true-believer Sai devotees. Also, most unconscionable for a man living within the conspicuous Chinese culture of Malaysia, Jagadeesan completely flubs it when he speaks of “the Ying / Yang Phenomena.” For one thing, he misspells Yin as “Ying”; he incorrectly uses the plural form of the word “phenomena” instead of the appropriate singular; and then, in the worst mistake of all, he equates the ancient Chinese Taoist polarity idea of Yin / Yang with “good and evil,” which no Chinese Taoist would ever do. Jagadeesan is an example of many longtime senior Sai devotees who preach about the beauty and value of all the religions and yet don’t actually study any of these religions. Anyone acquainted with the most remedial level of Taoist study would get the Yin/Yang concept right, but Jagadeesan, who has lived his entire life in the region, surrounded by Taoist literature and temples, and who has taken pride that he can sing a number of bhajans in Chinese along with his fellow Sai devotees with a Chinese background, makes here a blunder of the worst kind.]</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> It is absolutely <strong>true</strong> that Timothy Conway and <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/ex-devotees-critics-skeptics.html">Anti-Sai Activists</a> are <em>“the voices of modern sirens tempting devotees away from Faith, Belief, Goodness and Love, to hate and negativity”</em>. Although I can cite numerous instances to support Jagadeesan’s claim, I will direct readers to the following article that documents Ex-Devotees numerous attacks, defamations and libels against Sathya Sai Baba, Sai Devotees and Sai Proponents: <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/News/march-2008-prashanti-council.html">Prashanti Council, Sathya Sai Baba and the Open Letter</a>.<br /><br />Timothy Conway’s rant on Yin-Yang is an interesting distraction and attack on Jagadeesan. First and foremost, Jagadeesan was never a Taoist. Jagadeesan was an agnostic and strong critic of Sathya Sai Baba until he witnessed first-hand miracles that completely convinced him of Sathya Sai Baba’s divinity (<a href="http://sathyasaibaba.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/interview-with-sathya-sai-devoteee-dato-j-jagadeesan/">Ref</a>). Anyone acquainted with the most remedial level of knowledge about Malaysia knows that it is predominantly Muslim (about 60%) while Buddhists number around 20%. Therefore, Jagadeesan has not lived his life <em>“surrounded by Taoist literature and temples”</em> as Timothy Conway erroneously claimed. Strangely enough, Timothy Conway (on his website) defined Yin-Yang under <em>“Yang-Yin”</em> (<a href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Taoism.html" target="_blank">Ref</a>). The term <em>“yin-yang”</em> is <span style="text-decoration:underline;">always</span> described as <em>“yinyang”</em> in Chinese and Mandarin dialects and <strong>never</strong> as <em>“yang-yin”</em> as Timothy Conway did on his website.<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">[JJ:] We do not have an ancient Ulysses to plug our ears! The modern Ulysseses are the selfless service and self-less love that SAI has motivated among those who follow His Teachings! These will be the earplugs that must help us to overcome these treacherous times!</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">[TC: Unbelievable, but true: Jagadeesan actually wants people to have earplugs so as not to hear the disturb-ing news that Sai is involved in criminal behavior. There is a psychological description for this attitude: PATHOLOGICAL DENIAL. Jagadeesan, like many apologizers for Baba, is so heavily, egocentrically invested in his role as a Sai devotee that he becomes like the stubborn little child who plugs his ears and makes lots of noise so that he can’t face the truth that would challenge him to grow up and become a person of true compassion and integrity.]</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> To the contrary, Ex-Devotees are stuck in <em>“pathological denial”</em> and are heavily and egocentrically invested in their roles as libelers, propagandists and maligners. It is commonly seen that critics of Sai Baba constantly and unremittingly repeat themselves like brainwashed automatons, hoping to deceive readers with their constant abuse mantras. A relevant quote from Joseph Goebbels:<br /><br /><blockquote>“<em>If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”</em></blockquote><br />Ex-Devotees keep repeating their big lies and viciously attack and shield any perceived threat with their typical ploys of libels, defamations, deceptions and slurs. Timothy Conway is like a stubborn little boy who plugs his ears and makes a lot of noise so he doesn’t have to publicly acknowledge that his so-called <em>“compassion”</em> and <em>“integrity”</em> are huge, hypocritical <strong>farces</strong>.<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">[JJ:] I pray to all! Do not transmit the filth to others! Do not allow the filth to contaminate your mind!</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">[TC: If Jagadeesan had lived in Nazi Germany in the 1930s, I wonder which side he would have taken? The side of truth, freedom, morality, virtue, love and nonviolence, or, rather, the side of the Nazis? Jagadeesan is apparently unaware, like so many other Sai devotees in positions of great responsibility (Goldstein, Bozzani, Hawley, et al.) that there are MANDATED REPORTING RULES that REQUIRE all adults who have any suspicion of child molestation behavior to EXPOSE THIS BEHAVIOR, PROTECT CHILDREN FROM THIS BEHAVIOR, GET THERAPEUTIC HELP FOR THE VICTIMS OF THIS MOLESTATION BEHAVIOR, AND LEGALLY PROSECUTE THE WRONG-DOERS.]</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> Here again, we have another one of Timothy Conway’s holier-than-thou and extremist comments insinuating that Jagadeesan would have sided with the Nazis. Let me repeat this again: Sathya Sai Baba and the Sai Organization have <strong>never</strong> (ever) been charged with <span style="text-decoration:underline;">any</span> crime, sexual or otherwise. PhD Timothy Conway is a <strong>fanatic</strong> who attempts to con readers into thinking that Sathya Sai Baba has engaged in criminal activity, although he <span style="text-decoration:underline;">cannot</span> provide a scintilla of legal substantiation to support his fraudulent claims. Rather, Timothy Conway relies on internet stories he read and blindly believed.<br /><br />Once again, possibly <em>“hundreds”</em> or <em>“thousands”</em> of alleged victims and their mothers and fathers have <span style="text-decoration:underline;">all</span> (without exception) <strong>refused</strong> to do the <em>“moral”</em> and <em>“ethical”</em> thing as there are <span style="text-decoration:underline;">no</span> <strong>known</strong> <em>“child molestation”</em> charges, court cases or basic police complaints filed against Sathya Sai Baba in India. The alleged parents to these alleged <em>“minors”</em>, <em>“children”</em> and <em>“male youth”</em> have <span style="text-decoration:underline;">all</span> (without exception) <strong>failed</strong> in their legal duty of <em>“mandated reporting”</em> and are thereby (according to Timothy Conway) <em>“accomplices in sexual molestation crimes”</em>.<br /><br />If <em>“hundreds”</em> to <em>“thousands”</em> of parents are <span style="text-decoration:underline;">not</span> complaining about the alleged molestations of their children, why should Sai Devotees make complaints based on internet rumors? This <strong>indisputable fact</strong> strongly solidifies the argument that Sathya Sai Baba <strong>never</strong> molested <em>“children”</em>.<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">[JJ:] If you feel you do not want to follow the SAI path, by all means step aside, but do not incur the sin of coming between God and His devotees, the message of every vahana (vehicle) in a Hindu temple.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">[TC: Baba’s concerned critics now feel that they MUST come between BABA and his devotees, especially his young male devotees, so that they will not be molested by this sexual predator.]</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> Sathya Sai Baba is <strong>not</strong> a <em>“sexual predator”</em>. Hello? Timothy Conway, are you there? Where are all the parents who have had their children molested by a <em>“sexual predator”</em>? Why have possibly <em>“hundreds“</em> to <em>“thousands”</em> of alleged victims and their mothers and fathers <span style="text-decoration:underline;">all</span> (without exception) <strong>failed</strong> to file charges, public grievances, basic police complaints or court cases against Sathya Sai Baba in India?<br /><br />Alleged victim’s stories and accounts are mostly repeated, clarified, explained, embellished, changed, furthered and argued by <span style="text-decoration:underline;">non</span>-victims who were <strong>never</strong> abused themselves and who <strong>never</strong> witnessed an incident of alleged abuse themselves. This also holds true for Timothy Conway.<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">[JJ:] For those who love SAI, let us do more! Let us manifest His miracles, His “Vibuthi” (Divine Glory) in soci-ety, by we ourselves becoming His Vibuthi, His Divine miracles, by transforming society to Love and Unity, through our own transformed selfless Love and selfless Service. By this means let us achieve inner Peace, Joy and Contentment that is the only promise for all who follow the Path Divine!</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">[TC: Baba has repeatedly declared that Sai devotees should live according to the laws and rules of their re-spective countries. Thus, concerned critics of Baba’s molesting of children have stepped forth, according to the mandated reporting rules, to expose Baba’s sexual improprieties.]</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> I think alleged victims and their parents should be the ones who step forth, according to mandated reporting rules, and make their case against Sai Baba. However, what we see is that alleged victims and their parents <span style="text-decoration:underline;">all</span> (without exception) refuse to file charges, public grievances, basic police complaints or court cases against Sathya Sai Baba in India. Critics, who have <strong>never</strong> been sexually abused, are the ones making all the fuss.<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">[JJ:] For those who ask “Why does He not stop them?” Baba’s own words on Page 3 testify! However, let me ask also “Why should He?” Swami neither praises those who praise Him nor condemns those who demean Him – Di-vinity stands in the middle blessing all – those who perpetrate good and those who choose to do evil!</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">[TC: Actually, in recent discourses, Baba is strongly lashing out at his critics and praising those who defend him. What kind of behavior is this? Not the Sai whom Kasturi and Jagadeesan have described as standing equanimiously and compassionately above the fray.]</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> Sathya Sai Baba has every right to defend himself and deny the allegations, which he has done. It doesn’t matter what Sathya Sai Baba says or doesn’t say, critics will never be appeased. Despite the allegations and despite his physical hardships, Sathya Sai Baba has demonstrated considerable and amazing equanimity and fortitude.<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">[JJ:] Is this unusual? Is this not the way of Divinity? Did not Christ know He would be betrayed and crucified? Did not Rama know Sita would be captured? Did not Krishna know that His peace mission to the Kauravas would fail and did not Buddha know that the food offered to him with “false” love was poisoned? Yet those great beings allowed the drama to unfold acting as though they were helpless victims of circumstances! Why? Simply because Divinity has already established a Divine law of Karma – and this must take its course and because “Dharma will by itself destroy those who go against Dharma!” And so it was for Judas, so it was for Ravana and so it was for the Kauravas..and so it will be for all who manifest Evil!</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">[TC: I am tempted to retort, “and so it will be for all who manifest Evil in the form of molesting children and conspiring to cover-up this serious violation of the rights of children!”]</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> As one can see, Timothy Conway neurotically parrots his <strong>fraudulent</strong> child molestation claims (which I already discussed and <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/pedophilia-pedophile-child-sexual-abuse-offender-rings.html">refuted</a> in-depth on my website) like a person afflicted with <em>broken-record-syndrome</em>.<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">[JJ:] Let us all pray for them, let us not condemn them. Let us echo the words of a great being and pray – “Forgive them Oh Lord for they know not what they do!”</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">[TC: Right now it is Baba’s concerned critics who are praying “Forgive them Oh Lord for they (those conspiring to deny, cover-up and/or rationalize Baba’s behavior) know not what they do.” Jagadeesan here again says “let us not condemn them” after he has spent so many words doing just this -- comparing Baba’s critics to “demons” and “Judases” and “hatefully destructive sirens.”]</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> Actually, I could similarly pray to God to forgive Timothy Conway and Ex-Devotees because <em>“they know not what they do”</em>. However, I will withhold this prayer because it is my opinion that Timothy Conway and Ex-Devotees <strong>know</strong> exactly what they are doing and they do it maliciously and in full awareness. Far be it for Timothy Conway to point his self-righteous fingers at Jagadeesan when he accused him of being like the Nazis.<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">[JJ:] Please reflect on this! Reject what I say if you so choose but first REFLECT and then circulate to whomever you want to and act accordingly.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">[TC: Jagadeesan, I must certainly REJECT what you have said because I have spent so many years in fact REFLECTING on all this and have come to the conclusion that it is simply criminal behavior for us NOT to stand up and demand accountability from Baba and from the Sai organization for stories of improprieties that can no longer be glossed over as mere “rumors” or “gossip.”]</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> If the allegations are <strong>not</strong> just <em>“rumors”</em> or <em>“gossip”</em> as Timothy Conway contends, where are all the alleged victims and their parents? Where are all the charges, public grievances, basic police complaints and court cases? Timothy Conway said (out of his own mouth on his website) that he defected from Sathya Sai Baba in 2001. Timothy Conway’s letter to Jagadeesan was dated March 12th 2001. So how exactly did Timothy Conway spend <em>“so many <span style="text-decoration:underline;">years</span>”</em> reflecting on the allegations when he defected (at most) 3 months earlier?<br /><br />Timothy Conway, sit down and take your seat. Before you stand up making all sorts of demands, you should be preceded by the alleged parents to alleged victims. You and Ex-Devotees are sole voices in an empty auditorium. You beat your own drums and you applaud your own sermons.<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">Sai Ram and God bless! Yours in service, J. Jagadeesan cc Sri Indulal Shah / P.S. – Bhagavan Baba does not need my advocacy or defense! I merely write this for the benefit of my SAI broth-ers and sisters and especially youth, who should not, like the people in the Middle East 2000 years ago, crucify a Divine Being, who in later times became a saviour for millions!!</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">[TC: It is terribly ironic - indeed, shameful -- that Jagadeesan especially mentions “youth” in his closing, since they are the ones who have been victimized by the hundreds or thousands in this terrible, ongoing saga. As for the idea that we are “crucifying a Divine Being,” none of Baba’s concerned critics want to “crucify” him. We simply want him to come out of the closet and stop sexually molesting male children and young men. We want accountability, apologies, and amends-making from Baba and from his longtime organizational accomplices. We also want the entry to the private interview room left open, and we want a chaperon to be present on all occasions that Baba is in the company of male youth, especially minors. We would like to have a non-adversarial mediation session held at Puttaparthi or Bangalore to resolve this terrible ordeal. If Baba is operating from the truly Divine God-Self, this should be no problem. The illustrious Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950), one of India’s most beloved sages, had to go before legal authorities to defend himself against a psychopathic accuser. If the Maharshi had to put up with this “indignity” on such a patently trumped-up charge, then surely Baba can step out from behind the shield created by his pathetic, sycophantic yes-men and answer the legitimate charges against him. You see, this is really about Truth, Righteousness, Peace, Love and Nonviolence -- Sathya, Dharma, Shanti, Prema and Ahimsa. In the end, these Divine characteristics will win out.</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> I know this is getting terribly redundant, but Timothy Conway again made reference to child molestations, a <strong>fraudulent</strong> claim that has already been discussed and <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/pedophilia-pedophile-child-sexual-abuse-offender-rings.html">refuted</a> in-depth on my website. Timothy Conway should be making demands from alleged victims and their families before he makes demands from Sathya Sai Baba and the Sai Organization. <br /><br />Timothy Conway’s reference to Ramana Maharshi is rather amusing and actually argues <u>against</u> the absurd arguments he attempts to make against Sathya Sai Baba. Unlike the alleged <em>“psychopathic accuser”</em> who actually filed a court case against Ramana Maharshi (<a target="_blank" href="http://www.davidgodman.org/rteach/atiasrami1.shtml">Ref</a>), <u>all</u> of the alleged victims (without exception) have <strong>refused</strong> and <strong>failed</strong> to file a <u>basic</u> police complaint or court case against Sathya Sai Baba in India. Why should Sathya Sai Baba answer charges against him when <strong>no one</strong> has filed a court case in the first place? Surely these alleged victims can step out from behind the shield created by pathetic, gullible, sycophantic <em>“yes-men”</em> Ex-Devotees and file their <em>“legitimate”</em> charges against Sai Baba in a court of law in India? <u>All</u> alleged victims (without exception) have been <u>unable</u> to obtain legal representation despite:<br /><ol><br /><li>The lucrative prospect of a successful suit by money-hungry lawyers (Sathya Sai Baba’s assets are assessed to be worth <u>billions</u> of dollars by ex-devotees).</li><br /><li>The offer of <strong>free</strong> <em>“world-class legal resources”</em> from Barry Pittard (<a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-Pittard/caps-doll.html" target="_blank">Ref</a>).</li><br /><li>Ex-Devotees and Barry Pittard’s constant claims that they are in correspondence with <em>“international lawyers”</em> and <em>“top lawyers”</em>.</li><br /><li>The vast publicity a lawsuit against Sathya Sai Baba would generate to their cause.</li><br /><li>The opportunity (whether the lawsuits are successful or not) to present to the world the alleged <em>“evidence”</em> they claim they possess.</li><br /></ol><br />Yes, this <u>is</u> really about Truth, Righteousness, Peace, Love and Nonviolence and alleged victim’s apathy (along with shocking revelations, as in <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-AlayaRahm/drugs-alcohol-secret-swami.html">The Case Of Alaya Rahm</a>) has thoroughly compromised the Anti-Sai Movement and they now attempt to argue their case in secret and under the cloak of confidentiality where they:<br /><ul><br /><li>Filter and selectively choose who gets the view the <em>“real evidence”</em> against Sathya Sai Baba.</li><br /><li>Control their wholly one-sided and biased information.</li><br /><li>Cannot be held publicly accountable for their words and allegations made in secrecy.</li><br /></ul><br />After having <strong>every opportunity</strong> to divulge their alleged <em>“real evidence”</em> to the BBC and to various Journalists partial to their cause, Ex-Devotees have been <u>unable</u> to implicate Sathya Sai Baba or the Sai Organization with <u>any</u> crime. It certainly appears that the Truth has finally prevailed. Critics have no where to go but deeper into their gutters.<br /><br />As it turns out, J. Jagadeesan and Sai Devotees were right: The allegations against Sathya Sai Baba are <strong>nothing more</strong> than malicious smear and hate campaigns based on highly questionable accounts spread by questionable characters who are anything but honest.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/j_jagadeesan/">Reference</a><br /><br />Also See:<br />- <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/timothy_conway/">Timothy Conway Deception</a>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3655118532133905882.post-28910688527390046172009-05-11T11:08:00.000-07:002009-05-11T11:23:51.572-07:00Timothy Conway And The Jack Hawley Letter<strong>Timothy Conway And The Jack Hawley Letter</strong><br /><br /><strong>Introduction:</strong><br />At <span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">enlightened-spirituality.org/Sathya_Sai_Baba_my_concerns.html</span>, <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/timothy_conway/">Timothy Conway</a> published a particularly confrontational response to a letter that Jack Hawley wrote in December 2000 about the Sai Controversy. This webpage contains my response to Timothy Conway’s critique of Jack Hawley’s letter.<br /><br /><strong>Letter From Jack Hawley Ph.D About The Sai Controversy:</strong><br /><br /><blockquote>WE DON’T KNOW!<br /><em>“Unless you brighten your vision with Love, you cannot see the Truth.”</em> – Sathya Sai Baba<br /><br />Every decade or so negative rumors arise here in Prasanthi. It seems to be a Western thing. Indians just ignore them. Many things arise here that shake spiritual aspirants to their roots. This latest round of hearsay seems more virulent because e-mail now transmits gossipy rumors to the whole world in the blink of an eye. Hysteria rises with the rumors. People face a crisis of faith. Some of them leave, some stay. How one fares in this crisis depends on one’s <em>“capacity”</em> (an important spiritual term for the strength of one’s faith and love).<br /><br />The big question, of course, is <em>“is it true?”</em> And the truth is that we (all of us) don’t know! Many think they know, but they don’t really know. But I do — at least I know some things (as I’m sure many others do also). I will not talk about all I know, but I can say this: It is NOT what some minds have leaped to.<br /><br />It is the worldly function of the mind to reach conclusions. When the mind doesn’t know the answer to a question it becomes psychologically distressed. Then it grabs at answers and stretches for concepts that might help it feel better. It readily accepts simplistic analogies, buzz words, and labels — anything that alleviates its puzzled state. Most of the <em>“answers”</em> it comes up with are wrong, but the mind doesn’t care! Worse yet, once it latches onto an <em>“answer,”</em> the mind stops receiving new information. In effect it says, <em>“Sorry, this issue is closed. I will no longer accept anything that could upset my tenuous equilibrium.”</em><br /><br />Regarding the recent rumors:<br /><ol><br /><li>They are definitely not <em>“the truth”</em> as people so carelessly use the term truth (They may seem <em>“true”</em> to some, but they are not <em>“The Truth.”</em>)</li><br /><li>They are also not any of the other modern, quick-stick labels aimed at grabbing our attention, frightening us, and disgusting us.</li><br /><li>What is (or is not) happening at Prasanthi Nilayam is unrelated to current worldly level buzz words and ideas to which the mind so quickly leaps. This is not about a <em>“character flaw”</em> in a mere old man, for example; it has nothing to do with analysis or the so-called <em>“medical model,”</em> or with <em>“scientific”</em> thinking. (The mind sees, or even creates, what it looks for. In this sex and violence obsessed Kali Yuga [era] of today, the mind leaps to obsessive conclusions. Unable to truly understand, yet ever ready to leap, the mind shrouds Divinity with worldly illusions and comes up with wrong conclusions.)</li><br /><li>What is happening here in Prasanthi is beyond the meager human mind and its ability to <em>“figure out.”</em> It is beyond maya (mind-created illusion). Many things happen here that involve deep, mysterious energies, far beyond what our minds can grasp.</li><br /></ol><br />We do have some quite clear hints about what’s happening here:<br /><ul><br /><li>It has to do with Love so deep, so Divine that nothing can stand in its way — not even the threat of misunderstanding or calumny.</li><br /><li>It has to do with healing, not harming.</li><br /><li>It has to do with the Avatar’s mission here on earth (which, of course, has to fit this crazy Kali age).</li><br /><li>It has to do with the purity of our own minds, not someone else’s. The impurity is not in the Avatar, who is purity itself, it’s in the world, in our minds. Few of us can see Divinity, and fewer yet understand it.</li><br /></ul><br />Those who go into their hearts for answers during these crises of faith fare better. Those who go into their minds and seek answers outside, struggle the hardest and ache most.<br /><br />12/2000, Jack Hawley, Prasanthi Nilayam</blockquote><br /><br /><strong>Moreno’s Comments About Timothy Conway’s Critique Of Dr. Jack Hawley’s Letter:</strong> Hawley’s comments are in <span style="color:#000099;">blue</span>, Conway’s are in <span style="color:#909090;">light grey</span> and <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Joe-Moreno.html">Joe Moreno</a>’s response follows.<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;"><strong>Timothy Conway:</strong> Allow me here to critique Hawley’s fine-sounding essay on an extensive, point-by-point basis, because there are so many violations of logic and acceptable use of language, as well as problems with the specific content in what he states. I will identify his writing with <em>“JH:”</em> and italicize them, and preface my comments with <em>“TC:”</em> and use regular font, with occasional italicization and boldfacing for emphasis.<br /><br />To begin with, Mr. Hawley’s opening quote from Baba implies that those who are authentically living in Divine Love will see the Truth as Hawley and Baba want people to see it. It is apparently inconceivable to Mr. Hawley that mature, longtime spiritual aspirants could be living in Love, aware of the Divine Truth (e.g., God is seated in the hearts of all beings; only God ultimately, nondually exists; etc.), and yet disagree with Hawley over the meaning and lawfulness of Baba’s sexual activities and other improprieties.</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> Allow me to critique Timothy Conway’s extreme and unfounded responses to Jack Hawley’s letter on a point-by-point basis because there are <strong>many</strong> <em>“violations of logic”</em>, <u>unacceptable</u> use of language, as well as serious <em>“problems with the specific content in what he states”</em>.<br /><br /><strong>To Date:</strong> Sathya Sai Baba has <u>never</u> (ever) been formally charged with <u>any</u> crime, sexual or otherwise. Ex-Devotees wage vicious smear and hate campaigns against Sai Baba on the internet because they have <strong>failed</strong> to make any leeway against him in a court of law in India. After 10+ years, <strong>not even one</strong> alleged victim has been able to obtain legal representation despite the offer of <strong>free</strong> <em>“world-class legal resources”</em> from ex-devotees and despite the lucrative prospect of a successful suit against Sai Baba in India (where the guru’s <em>“empire”</em> is alleged to be worth <strong>billions</strong> of dollars). Therefore, Timothy Conway’s accusations of <em>“Baba’s sexual activities and other improprieties”</em> are <u>not</u> supported with credible, verifiable or legal documentation.<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">JH: Every decade or so negative rumors arise here in Prasanthi.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">TC: This is typical of the obfuscation (fog) technique that Mr. Hawley perpetrates throughout his essay. The truth is that rumors about sexual improprieties by Baba have been circulating among residents and visitors to the ashram since at least 1980, when I first got the most remote whiff of them. They began to come into clearer focus and wider distribution with the publication of Tal Brooke’s <em>“Avatar of Night”</em> book in 1982, reprinted in 1984. And the stories (<em>“rumors”</em>) have been circulating throughout the 1980s and 1990s, especially since 1995 with the widespread advent of the Internet. The stories undoubtedly go back in oral story-telling form and certain persons’ private notes to the early 1970s, when the alleged activities in Tal Brooke’s book are declared to have taken place.</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/robert-taliaferro-tal-brooke/">Robert Taliaferro Brooke</a> (an extreme fundamentalist and evangelical Christian) was the <u>first</u> person to make accusations of sexual impropriety against Sai Baba. <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/robert-taliaferro-tal-brooke/">Tal Brooke</a> published his first Anti-Sai book in 1976 under the title <em>“Lord Of The Air”</em>. It was republished in 1979 as <em>“Sai Baba, Lord Of The Air”</em>, renamed <em>“Avatar of Night”</em> in 1982 with a reprint in 1984, was renamed <em>“Lord Of The Air: Tales of a Modern Antichrist”</em> in 1990 and reprinted again as <em>“Avatar of Night”</em> in 1999. Timothy Conway was <u>not</u> aware that Tal Brooke originally published his Anti-Sai book in 1976 and displayed continued ignorance (in his email correspondence with me) about the book’s original publication date.<br /><br />99% of the allegations and rumors circulating against Sathya Sai Baba can be <strong>directly</strong> traced to Tal Brooke and his religiously-fueled Anti-Sai propaganda, which started in 1976 and continues to the present day through expensive internet ad campaigns soliciting his Anti-Sai book.<br /><br />Tal Brooke purposely exaggerated when he claimed he was Sai Baba’s number one Western follower (at best, a dubious and subjective claim). Those who met Tal Brooke in the early 70’s at Sai Baba’s ashram immediately recognized him as a fanatic Christian (<strong>contrary</strong> to his claim that he converted to Christianity <u>post</u>-Sai Baba). Tal Brooke wrote that Sai Baba is a <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/hermaphrodite.html">hermaphrodite</a> based on an alleged story related to him by an unidentified person named <em>“Surya Das”</em> who in turn related a story told to him by another unidentified man named <em>“Patrick”</em>. It was alleged that <em>“Patrick”</em> claimed he had coital (vaginal) sex with Sathya Sai Baba. Because of <em>“Patrick’s”</em> alleged story, Tal Brooke perpetuated the idea that Sathya Sai Baba is a hermaphrodite. The only problem with <u>all</u> of Tal Brooke’s tall-stories is that <u>none</u> of the alleged witnesses he cited (who have <u>never</u> been identified as <strong>real</strong> people) have ever come forward in 30+ years to corroborate his stories.<br /><br />The scholar Lawrence A. Bapp wrote in his book <em>“Redemptive Encounters – Three Modern Studies In The Hindu Tradition”</em> (which was critical of Sai Baba), <em>“The animus of Brooke’s book (1979) is too strong for one to have much confidence in its accuracy.”</em><br /><br />It is also perplexing that Timothy Conway (a true-believer in Gurus, Enlightened Masters, Mystics, Hinduism and Eastern Philosophy) cited Tal Brooke as an <strong>authority</strong> and reference against Sai Baba. In Tal Brooke’s book <em>“Riders Of The Cosmic Circuit, The Dark Side of Superconsciousness”</em>, he attacked Hinduism, suggested that enlightenment is an <strong>evil</strong> path and that God-Men and Gurus are in a state of perfect demon-possession. Therefore, Timothy Conway’s reference to Tal Brooke has amusing repercussions against <strong>him</strong>, <strong>his</strong> beliefs and <strong>his</strong> advocacy of Gurus, Enlightened Masters, Mystics, Hinduism and Eastern Philosophy.<br /><br />One could similarly cite Tal Brooke as an <strong>authority</strong> and reference against Timothy Conway’s promotion of demon-possessed God-Men and Gurus and the evil paths of enlightenment they promote through sinful Eastern Philosophies. Since Tal Brooke <strong>heavily</strong> relied on subjective, fanatic and religiously-based arguments to draw his conclusions that Gurus are in a state of perfect demon possession and that enlightenment is an evil path leading to Satan, what does this say about the integrity and objectivity of his claims against Sai Baba?<br /><br />How all this information about Tal Brooke escaped Ph.D researcher Conway is unknown.<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">JH: It seems to be a Western thing. Indians just ignore them.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">TC: This is patently untrue. Yes, Westerners have talked more openly about these things, because of our more psychologized culture, influenced in recent decades by <em>“truth-telling”</em> approach of the Recovery movement, the Oprah Winfrey show, the John Bradshaw work, and also the <em>“tell-all”</em> approach of the tabloid newspapers, sensationalist celebrity autobiographies, Jerry Springer show, and other brutally explicit venues.<br /><br />But India is now openly talking about Baba’s improprieties: just read the 3-part series published in Dec. 2000 in the widely read India Today newspaper, and read the several articles exposing Sai and the organization in other Indian newspapers and magazines. (Note: many of these articles are available at the website www.exbaba.com.)<br /><br />Evidently Baba’s improprieties around sexual activity and faked materializations have been an <em>“open secret”</em> discussed among his college boys for some time, as related in <em>“SATHYA SAI BABA: THE GOOD, THE BAD AND THE UGLY,”</em> posted to the Internet in 1993 on the discussion site soc.culture.tamil [see www.exbaba.com] by Meenakshi Srikanth, a former student at the Sai Institute of Higher Learning, Whitefield campus. (Meenakshi’s piece only became more widely known as part of <em>“The Findings”</em> compilation presented in July 2000 by David and Faye Bailey, posted at www.exbaba.com.)</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> <strong>REGARDING INDIA TODAY:</strong> Did Timothy Conway read the <em>India Today</em> article? It appears he did not. For starters, <a target="_blank" href="http://indiatoday.digitaltoday.in/">India Today</a> is <u>not</u> a <em>“newspaper”</em> (as erroneously stated by Conway). <em>India Today</em> is a news-weekly magazine. What Timothy Conway conveniently <u>forgot</u> to mention is that the <em>India Today</em> article was <u>entirely</u> slanted with an Anti-Sai viewpoint and was the <strong>direct result</strong> of unremitting propaganda from <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/ex-devotees-critics-skeptics.html">Ex-Devotees</a>.<br /><br />Hari Sampath (an Ex-Devotee) <strong>boasted</strong>:<br /><br /><blockquote><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">bdsteel.tripod.com/More/evidence.htm</span><em>“I had initiated and organized about 70 % of the major media stories on Sai Baba , including The Times, India Today, the Danish documentary, Salon.com and several others.”</em></blockquote><br /><a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-Pittard/barry-pittard-deception.html">Barry Pittard</a> (an Ex-Devotee) <strong>boasted</strong>:<br /><br /><blockquote><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">home.hetnet.nl/~ex_baba/engels/articles/saislurs8.html</span><em>“In 2000, I was a member of a small international group of former devotees which ran a number of potent exposure operations. In one of these, we got a 10-page cover story (December 4, 2000) in the prestigious mass circulation weekly magazine India Today.”</em></blockquote><br />Ex-Devotees have similarly <strong>boasted</strong> that <u>they</u> accomplished various negative media against Sai Baba by waging unremitting <em>“e-bombing”</em> campaigns (flooding various media agencies and organizations on a day-to-day basis with hundreds to thousands of emails containing Anti-Sai propaganda). Even <em>India Today</em> reported this behavior and said, <em>“In the US, disillusioned devotees are ‘e-bombing’ Foreign Secretary Madeleine Albright’s office every day.”</em><br /><br /><strong>REGARDING MEENAKSHI SRIKANTH:</strong> Shri Unni Krishnan was a student at the <em>Sri Sathya Sai Institute Of Higher Learning</em> and <strong>personally</strong> knew all the details regarding See: <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/srikanth-meenakshi/">Meenakshi Srikanth</a>. Meenakshisundaram Srikanth was <strong>expelled</strong> from the Institute in 1989 during the final year of his Bachelors degree. Several other students in Meenakshi’s circle of friends were <strong>permanently</strong> expelled for propagating defamatory rumors and gossip against <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/">Sathya Sai Baba</a> (mostly taken from Tal Brooke and <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/Premanand/b-premanand-deception.html">Basava Premanand</a>). After Meenakshi Srikanth tearfully pleaded not be expelled, the Institute authorities allowed him to complete his degree (so that his career prospects would not be jeopardized and his parents would not be shamed) under the agreement that he would cease talking ill of Sathya Sai Baba. Meenakshi agreed. Meenakshi Srikanth was provided <u>three years</u> of quality education <strong>free of cost</strong> at Sai Baba’s College.<br /><br />After Meenakshi Srikanth graduated from Sai Baba’s institute, he vengefully wrote his articles against Sai Baba and <strong>purposely</strong> <u>withheld</u> the fact that he had been expelled for spreading the <u>very same</u> rumors and gossip he decided to repeat on the internet. Meenakshi Srikanth now lives a prosperous life in Virginia with his family due to the free education and Bachelor’s degree he received at Sai Baba’s College (which opened the door for him to receive further studies in the USA). In a clarificatory post, Meenakshi Srikanth <strong>admitted</strong> that he was expelled from the Institute on Republic day 1989 and was taken back into the institute the next day. Meenakshi Srikanth withheld this information because he felt it was not his <em>“motive”</em> and <em>“felt it was irrelevant to the discussion”</em>.<br /><br /><u>All</u> of Meenakshi Srikanth’s allegations against Sai Baba were based on rumor, gossip, hearsay and unsupported and unverifiable second-hand stories. Meenakshi was <u>never</u> sexually abused but he interpreted everything students said about their interviews with a perverse sexual slant (which Ex-Devotees are notorious for doing).<br /><br />Although Meenakshi Srikanth originally made his posts on the <em>soc.culture.tamil</em> group in 1993, they were actually published on and referenced to <em>rense.com</em> in 2000 (because <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-Khorramshahgol/afshin-said-shahgols-shagol.html">Said Afshin Khorramshahgol’s</a> website was deleted for some unknown reason). <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/Findings/david_bailey.html">David Bailey</a> (author of <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/Findings/exbaba-findings.html">The Findings</a>) contacted Jeff Rense and had him post Meenakshi’s story on his <em>rense.com</em> website (<a target="_blank" href="http://web.archive.org/web/20020105085249/http://members.tripod.de/pada/pada/p2k00929.htm">Ref</a>). <em>Rense.com</em> is a website that celebrates Ernst Zundel (calling him a <em>“modern day Galileo”</em>). Ernst Zundel had run Samisdat Publishers, one of the largest distributors of Nazi and neo-Nazi propaganda and memorabilia in the world. Why David Bailey would contact a purported Anti-Semite to push Anti-Sai material is unclear. Probably for the same reason why <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-Oclery/anthony-tony-deception.html">Tony O’Clery</a> had David Icke post <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/Findings/exbaba-findings.html">The Findings</a> on his conspiracy and paranoia website. For those who do not know, David Icke believes in a secret society called the <em>“Illuminati”</em>, which is composed of shape-shifting reptilian-hominoid aliens from another planet that suck blood from babies. David Icke believes that George W. Bush, Condoleeza Rice, Queen Elizabeth II, Kris Kristofferson and Boxcar Willie (among others) are reptilian-hominoid shape-shifters from another planet. Call it coincidence, but white supremacists also posted their propaganda in a Sathya Sai Baba Yahoo Group (<a target="_blank" href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/caps-racism.html">Ref</a>).<br /><br />Timothy Conway <strong>blindly</strong> believed Meenakshi Srikanth’s story without even properly researching it and used his hearsay <em>“grudge”</em> stories as <em>“evidence”</em> that many Sai Students secretly know about allegations of sexual impropriety and faked materializations (which was inadvertently <a href="http://www.sai-fi.net/sathyasaibaba/sai_students_emails.html">refuted by Reinier Van Der Sandt</a>, a caustic critic of Sai Baba). It is exactly this type of shabby research and gullibility that reflects so badly on Dr. Timothy Conway.<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">JH: Many things arise here that shake spiritual aspirants to their roots.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">TC: Aspirants need to be shaken at their roots. It’s called radical (<em>“at the root”</em>) transformation. We need to be shaken up so much at our egoic roots that these ego tendencies fall off and we are free in God, our original Identity as Spirit. Yes, this news about Sathya Sai is shattering, but we need to be shattered to a certain extent.<br /><br />All sacred mystical traditions speak of this need for ego death, for undergoing what St. John of the Cross (Juan de al Cruz) called the <em>“Dark Night of the Soul,”</em> wherein, as Juan puts it, one is completely un-made and re-made in God. Zen and Vajrayana [Buddhist] masters speak all the time about the need for this ego-death. And for the illustrious Advaita Vedanta [Hindu] masters, this is none other than the <em>“manonasa”</em> or death of the egoic mind that is called for so that the Atman [God-Self] can shine clearly, without egocentric delusion.<br /><br />Having one’s exclusive, one-sided views about Sathya Sai exploded with revelations that his behavior is not so seemly can have a most liberating effect, if not resulting in perfect <em>“death of the ego-mind.”</em> Some have even thought that the revelations about Baba are specifically, divinely intended to shake people up, to wean them from their attachment to the name and form of Sathya Sai.</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> Strange enough, it appears that Timothy Conway just made a strong argument why Sai Baba <em>might</em> act in ways that would disenfranchise and disillusion various individuals. As Paul William Roberts pointed out in his book <em>“Empire Of The Soul”</em> (which contained positive accounts with Sai Baba in the early 70’s), the perverse and baffling actions of many Zen masters and spiritual teachers tend to defy our expectations for them. They may act in ways that can be deliberately off-putting (the alcoholism of Chogyam Trungpa) or repugnantly antisocial (the cruel humor of George Ivanovitch Gurdjieff). Roberts stated that our own expectations for spiritual teachers are yet more conditioned baggage from which their teachings and actions are designed to liberate us. Therefore, this particular response from Timothy Conway seems to hold validity among various thinkers and philosophers.<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">JH: This latest round of hearsay seems more virulent because e-mail now transmits gossipy rumors to the whole world in the blink of an eye.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">TC: The use of the word <em>“hearsay”</em> is strategically used to minimize the authenticity of molested victims’ accounts of what Baba has done to them. We should realize that, strictly speaking, everything you have ever heard about Baba outside your own direct experience is also <em>“hearsay,”</em> that is, second-hand information. This includes the official 4-volume biography by [Prof. N.] Kasturi, everything that is published in Sanathana Sarathi [the official journal of the SSB organization], everything that your friends tell you at Sai Centers after they return from India, etc.<br /><br />Obviously, some forms of hearsay are more reliable, some are not. Many of Baba’s victims have been willing to sign legal affidavits about their unsavory experiences, giving their accounts much more reliability than many of the <em>“beautiful”</em> stories you’ve heard about Sai.<br /><br />Mr. Hawley also uses the phrase <em>“gossipy rumors”</em> — another tactic that, deliberately or not, marginalizes and minimizes the heart-wrenching accounts of Baba’s sexual abuse and deceitful manipulation told by victims or their anguished family members. Hawley is verging on the use of an ancient, sinister debate strategy employed by those of little integrity: attack the person, not the person’s legitimate viewpoint. Hence this low-level tactic is called <em>“ad hominem”</em> — attack the man (e.g., as a <em>“gossip”</em>) rather than address his legitimate concerns and grievances.</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> It is completely <strong><u>true</u></strong> that most of the allegations against Sathya Sai Baba <u>are</u> based on hearsay, <em>“gossipy rumors”</em>, second-hand stories and anonymous accounts. Many sexual abuse allegations have obviously been faked by mentally unstable defamers of Sai Baba (such as <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/usedbybaba.html">UsedByBaba</a>, <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-Oclery/anthony-tony-deception.html">Tony O’Clery</a>, <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-Dadlani/dadlani-deception.html">Sanjay Dadlani</a> and <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Barbara_Dent.html">Barbara Dent</a>). It is also <u>true</u> that the allegations against Sathya Sai Baba are primarily disseminated by <u>non</u>-victims who were <strong>never</strong> sexually abused themselves and who <strong>never</strong> witnessed an incident of alleged molestation themselves. Therefore, the observations and arguments made by ex-devotees <u>for</u> alleged victims are entirely hearsay, speculative and could never be used in a court of law.<br /><br />Timothy Conway attempted to <strong>con</strong> readers into thinking that there are <em>“signed legal affidavits”</em> against Sathya Sai Baba. This claim is <u>wholly</u> <strong>unsubstantiated</strong> and based (ironically) on <em>“gossipy rumors”</em> that Conway blindly believed. As a matter of fact, Timothy Conway fully <u>acknowledged</u> to me (via e-mail) that he <strong>never</strong> saw an alleged affidavit for himself but blindly believed the <em>“affidavits”</em> claim based on information relayed to him by the late Glen Meloy. Then (in a subsequent email) Timothy Conway flip-flopped, changed his story and said he based his <em>“affidavits”</em> claim on the <em>India Today</em> article (which stated that Jens Sethi and Hans de Kraker submitted <em>“signed affidavits”</em> to them).<br /><br /><em>India Today’s</em> relevant extract from <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/Witnesses/jens-sethi-sethu.html">Jens & Gurprit Sethi’s</a> account was duplicated (verbatim) from their signed letter to <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/Findings/david_bailey.html">David Bailey</a> (who, since the year 2000, <strong>never</strong> referred to Sethi’s story as an <em>“affidavit”</em>). Jens & Gurprit Sethi’s signed letter to David Bailey was <strong>deceptively</strong> called a <em>“signed affidavit”</em> by <em>India Today</em> even though <u>no</u> Anti-Sai Activist <strong>ever</strong> specifically referred to Sethi’s story as an <em>“affidavit”</em>. <em>India Today’s</em> relevant extract from Hans de Kraker’s account was actually taken (verbatim) from a <u>private</u> letter he wrote to the French journalist Virginie Saurel. Hans de Kraker told me (via e-mail) that much of his private correspondence was made public <strong>without</strong> his permission. Hans de Kraker’s signed letter to Virginie Saurel was <strong>deceptively</strong> called a <em>“signed affidavit”</em> by <em>India Today</em> even though <u>no</u> Anti-Sai Activist <strong>ever</strong> specifically referred to Kraker’s letter as an <em>“affidavit”</em>. Even <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/untouchable_salon_michelle_goldberg_article.html">Michelle Goldberg</a> (who cited the <strong>same</strong> letter in her <em>salon.com</em> article) did <u>not</u> refer to the letter as an <em>“affidavit”</em>. Therefore, Jens & Gurprit Sethi and Hans de Kraker’s signed letters were <u>not</u> actual <em>“signed affidavits”</em> sworn before a notary as fraudulently claimed by <em>India Today</em> (who were working <u>exclusively</u> in collaboration with critics and Ex-Devotees). Furthermore, Jens Sethi and Hans de Kraker were both <strong>adults</strong> (<u>not</u> minors) when they had their first alleged encounters with Sai Baba.<br /><br />Ex-Devotees have revealed that they <strong>cannot</strong> distinguish between affidavits (which are sworn before a notary or other officer authorized to administer an oath) and stories that were <u>never</u> sworn before a notary or other authorized officer (<a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/open-challenge.html">Ref</a>). Even <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-Priddy/robert-priddy-deception.html">Robert Priddy</a> said that abuse stories were <em>“recorded in various of the affidavits <u>on the internet</u>”</em> (totally confusing online stories with affidavits). Timothy Conway <u>never</u> saw the alleged affidavits (with a stamp from a notary or signature from an authorized officer) for himself even though he had the audacity to claim the alleged <em>“affidavits”</em> were signed, legal and in existence.<br /><br />It is very perplexing why Ex-Devotees would continually make reference to <em>“affidavits”</em> when they and alleged victims have <strong>never</strong> initiated <u>any</u> kind of legal action against Sathya Sai Baba in the past 10+ years. It appears that Ex-Devotees are attempting to legitimize their smear-campaigns with disinformation in a brazen attempt to <u>deceive</u> the general public.<br /><br />After several <strong>years</strong> of silence, Hari Sampath (using his known Yahoo name of <em>“delta_108”</em>) came out of hiding on August 2nd 2007 and I was able to directly question him about the alleged <em>“affidavit”</em> claims, which <strong>originated</strong> from him (<a target="_blank" href="http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sathyasaibaba2/message/55955">Reference</a>). Although Hari Sampath expressed a willingness to answer my questions in <em>“half an hour”</em> (<a target="_blank" href="http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sathyasaibaba2/message/55957">Reference</a>), he instead chose to flee the group and went back into hiding. It is important to note that <u>all</u> of these <em>“affidavit”</em> claims against Sathya Sai Baba <u>originated</u> with Hari Sampath and were later passed to Ojvind Kyro, Glen Meloy, Robert Priddy, et al. Despite this fact, Mr. Sampath could <strong>not</strong> answer <u>basic</u> questions about the alleged affidavits he worked so hard to obtain and chose instead to <strong>hide</strong> rather than give answers. These are the types of deceivers that have misled so many people about Sai Baba and the Sai Controversy for so many years.<br /><br />Despite <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/Witnesses/exbaba-witnesses.html">six non-anonymous and alleged victims</a> being <strong>very vocal</strong> on the internet and though various media, <u>all</u> of them <strong>never</strong> filed a basic police complaint against Sai Baba in India and <u>all</u> of them refused Barry Pittard’s offer of <strong>free</strong> <em>“world-class legal resources”</em>. Alleged victims can <strong>no longer</strong> file a court case against Sathya Sai Baba because the <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/alleged-victims-not-credible-limitation-act-expired.html">Indian statute of limitations has expired for them</a> (the allegations are <u>many</u> years old). Alleged victim’s highly questionable tactics and defenses are <strong>very unusual</strong> and their <u>unique</u> approach to addressing their alleged abuse (through selective and one-way venues rather than legal venues) is highly indicative of deceit.<br /><br />Although Timothy Conway <strong>hypocritically</strong> castigated Jack Hawley for <em>ad hominem</em> attacks, he fully engaged in them with bitter, deep-seated ill will. Timothy Conway, with his holier-than-thou facade, miserably <strong>fails</strong> to practice the precept he can often be seen advising others to follow.<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">JH: Hysteria rises with the rumors.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">TC: Yes, there is a tiny amount of <em>“hysteria”</em> with a few hysteria-prone devotees. But, again, we have here a strategy by Hawley to paint with a broad brush of <em>“hysteria”</em> all those who are deeply concerned about the ethics of Baba’s repeated acts of child molestation, rape, deceit, payment for sexual favors, etc. This strategy is an affront to all decent people who want to know the truth about what is happening, and who have a compassionate empathy for those who are being traumatized by Baba’s behavior.</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> The <em>“hysteria”</em> belongs wholly to <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/ex-devotees-critics-skeptics.html">Anti-Sai Activists</a> who <u>purposely</u> and <strong>maliciously</strong> distort facts with gutter untruths and deceptively use words like <em>“pedophile”</em>, <em>“witnesses”</em>, <em>“testimonies”</em>, <em>“testified”</em>, <em>“charged”</em>, <em>“affidavits”</em>, etc., although <u>no</u> court cases have ever been filed against Sai Baba in India, nor has he ever been formally charged with <u>any</u> crime (<a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/failed-supreme-court-cases-writ-petitions.html">Ref</a>).<br /><br />Like a person suffering from <em>“hysteria”</em>, Timothy Conway had the effrontery to claim that Sathya Sai Baba engaged in <em>“repeated acts of child molestation, rape, deceit, payment for sexual favors, etc.”</em> based <u>solely</u> on stories he heard and read and <strong>blindly believed</strong>.<br /><br /><strong>To Date:</strong> Not even one parent has claimed that Sathya Sai Baba molested his/her <em>“child”</em> or that Sathya Sai Baba engaged in acts of <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/pedophilia-pedophile-child-sexual-abuse-offender-rings.html">pedophilia</a>. Therefore, the claims of <em>“child molestation”</em> are <strong>wholly</strong> <u>unsubstantiated</u> and are <strong>entirely</strong> rumor, gossip and unverifiable hearsay. Not even one Anti-Sai media organization or journalist has <u>ever</u> been able to independently confirm <strong>even one</strong> case of alleged pedophilia against Sai Baba in the past 10+ years. These are the type of gutter and poorly researched accusations that Timothy Conway must resort to in order to make his lamentable arguments against Sai Baba.<br /><br />Timothy Conway told me (via e-mail) that his comments pertaining to <em>“repeated acts”</em> of <em>“rape”</em> were based on the stories of Dr. Bhatia, Terry Gallagher, Meenakshi Srikanth, Alaya Rahm and some stories related in Sai-related books:<br /><ol><br /><li>An <strong>anonymous</strong> account in <em>The Findings</em> (dubiously attributed to Dr. Bhatia) claimed Sai Baba raped a 7 year-old boy (since <strong>proven</strong> to be <a target="_blank" href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-Oclery/yahoo-bhatialie.html">a ridiculous lie</a>). Although the story alleged that the 7 year-old rape victim was examined by a doctor in Bangalore (whom allegedly confirmed the <em>“rape”</em>) the doctor did absolutely <strong>nothing</strong> about it, thereby engaging in an illegal cover-up by <u>purposely</u> failing to file a police complaint, which he would have been ethically and legally mandated to do (had it actually happened).</li><br /><li>Terry Gallagher claimed that Sai Baba raped children <em>“as young as seven”</em>, which was erroneously taken from the <strong>fraudulent</strong> story anonymously attributed to Dr. Bhatia (as described above).</li><br /><li>Meenakshi Srikanth (a person who leeched his Bachelors Degree off of Sathya Sai Baba’s generosity) relayed unsubstantiated, unverifiable and highly questionable stories of alleged and inferred abuse although he was <strong>never</strong> molested himself or witnessed an incident of alleged molestation himself. Srikanth repeated rumors mostly taken from Tal Brooke and Basava Premanand and inferred sexual activity sheerly through speculation, assumption and the word of others.</li><br /><li><a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-AlayaRahm/">Alaya Rahm</a> claimed that Sathya Sai Baba allegedly attempted to forcibly rape him when Sathya Sai Baba was 70-72 years old and Alaya was 18-20 years old. Sathya Sai Baba is 5’2” tall and weighs a mere 108lbs. Contrast this with (at that time) Alaya Rahm being 6’6” tall and being height/weight proportional and in good health. Anti-Sai Activists often stated that Sathya Sai Baba suffered from frail health, stumbled often when he walked, had thinning hair, broke bones going back to 1988 and allegedly suffered several heart attacks. This is the type of frail person who allegedly has the libido of a teenager and the strength of a giant to subdue a healthy 6’6” tall basketball player in the prime of his youth. Needless to say, pivotal information has since been brought to light with <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/Rahm-Public-Court-Records/">Alaya Rahm’s Failed & Self-Dismissed Lawsuit</a>.</li><br /><li>Timothy Conway alleged that various biographers mentioned (in Sai-related books) that Sai Students spent the night with Sai Baba in the Mandir. Although these unnamed and unsourced biographers <u>never</u> wrote anything even remotely alluding to sexual impropriety (no Sai-related book ever made such a claim), Timothy Conway erroneously viewed this as evidence of <em>“repeated acts”</em> of <em>“rape”</em>. This type of perverted and sexually-deviant reasoning speaks volumes about Timothy Conway and his bizarre sexual focus. Timothy Conway, like other Ex-Devotees, <strong>maliciously</strong> accused Sai Baba of <em>“repeated acts”</em> of <em>“rape”</em> based <strong>solely</strong> on <u>speculation</u> and <u>perverse sexual inferences</u> <strong>not</strong> rooted in fact.</li><br /></ol><br />Timothy Conway told me (via e-mail) that his comments pertaining to <em>“repeated acts”</em> of <em>“payment for sexual favors”</em> were based on the stories of Conny Larsson, Alaya Rahm, Meenakshi Srikanth, Jens Sethi and David Bailey:<br /><ol><br /><li><a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-Larsson/larsson-deception.html">Conny Larsson</a> alleged that from 1991 – 1999, he talked to about 25 <em>“victims”</em> who were paid or bribed with money for sex by Sai Baba. Needless to say, Conny Larsson (a psychotherapist turned <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/Conny_Larsson/conny-larsson-psychic-healer.html">psychic medium</a>) did <strong>absolutely</strong> <u>nothing</u> about these alleged criminal acts. Conny Larsson even implied that he was a pimp for Sai Baba (supplying him with foreign men for sexual purposes), which would mean (of course) that Conny Larsson would be an <strong>accomplice in crime</strong> if these allegations were true and he would be <u>directly</u> responsible for the sexual abuse of alleged victims due to his <strong>two decades</strong> of silence (despite his moral and ethical responsibilities as a professional psychotherapist).<br /><br /><u>After</u> Conny Larsson saw a psychotherapist who deprogrammed him, he regained 39 year-old lost memories of being sexually abused as a child (which he claimed was the reason for his bi-sexuality) and realized (at the same time) that Sai Baba was a fraud and a molester. Just a few months prior to this deprogramming, Conny Larsson was sobbing uncontrollably and praising Sai Baba as God incarnate at a Sai Retreat in the USA (<a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/Witnesses/1998-september.html">Ref</a>).<br /><br />Conny Larsson is <u>not</u> credible because he continually changes his stories, progressing from fairly innocuous claims to highly defamatory and criminal ones. For example, Conny is now claiming (with <u>no</u> proof) that Sai Baba’s vibuthi is made from the ash of burned human bodies. Conny believes (again, with <u>no</u> proof) that Sai Baba runs pedophile and people trafficking rings by shipping Negros from New York’s ghettos to India for sexual purposes. Conny even claimed that Sai Baba’s airport was built specifically for human trafficking. Conny falsely said that the brass railings in the mandir compound are made of gold. It goes without mention that these totally unbelievable and criminal accusations have <u>never</u> (ever) been substantiated by <u>any</u> credible media or legal organization. Consequently, Conny Larsson’s claims are <strong>fraudulent</strong> and without merit.<br /><br />Conny Larsson recently accused Maharishi Mahesh Yogi of sexual impropriety although he <strong>never</strong> mentioned one word about it in 30+ years (<a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/Conny_Larsson/new-guru-shankaracharya-swami-brahmananda-saraswati.html">Ref</a>). Conny Larsson (who had been seeing psychotherapists since the age of 12) is <u>not</u> credible and his <strong>ridiculous</strong> claims are totally unsubstantiated, unverifiable and grow more and more exaggerated with the passage of time. Bjorn Sandstrom said that Conny’s penchant for exaggerations was well known even when Conny was a Sai Devotee.</li><br /><li>Al Rahm <u>personally</u> told me that Sai Baba gave $1,000 to Alaya to give to his mother (Marisa Rahm) to purchase food, saris, rent, etc. Al and Marisa Rahm stated (in audio-taped talks at Sai Retreats) that they had financial hardships and Sai Baba assured them he would help (and he did). Al Rahm claimed that Sai Baba gave $3,000 dollars to Alaya. Lewis Kreydick testified in <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/Rahm-Public-Court-Records/scans-kreydick/a-scan-01.html">his sworn and videotaped deposition</a> that Alaya showed him $300 given to him by Sai Baba (not $3,000, as exaggerated by Al Rahm). According to Kreydick, Alaya told him that Sai Baba gave him the money as spending money and Alaya used it for exactly that purpose. Alaya showed Al and Marisa Rahm <u>all</u> the money that Sai Baba gave him and even told Lewis Kreydick about it. At that time, Alaya apparently had <u>nothing</u> to hide and he <strong>and his parents</strong> saw <u>nothing</u> wrong with the money they were given (they <strong>willingly</strong> <u>accepted</u> the money and spent it). Years later, the story was <strong>changed</strong>.</li><br /><li>Jens Sethi claimed that an un-named Rwandan soldier was given gifts for sex by Sai Baba. Sethi’s story is unsubstantiated, unverifiable and is sourced to an anonymous person.</li><br /><li>Meenakshi Srikanth’s story about <em>“Nandan”</em> is unsubstantiated, unverifiable and is sourced to an anonymous person. Srikanth even claimed that Sai Baba had <em>“Nandan”</em> open envelopes containing money <u>in public</u> for <strong>everyone</strong> to see. <u>Why</u> would Sai Baba give money to <em>“Nandan”</em> <strong>in public</strong> if he had something to hide?</li><br /><li>David Bailey was <strong>never</strong> sexually abused himself and he <strong>never</strong> claimed to have witnessed an incident of alleged sexual abuse himself. Therefore, <u>how</u> did David Bailey <strong>know</strong> that Sai Baba was offering various individuals money in exchange for sexual favors? David Bailey made this speculation only <u>after</u> he defected from Sai Baba. <u>Why</u> would Sai Baba give money to various individuals <strong>in front</strong> of David Bailey if he had something to hide?</li><br /></ol><br />It is also important to point out that Sai Baba is known to give money to male and female devotees in need. Even Hilda Charlton wrote about money given to her by Sai Baba (<a target="_blank" href="http://www.hildacharlton.com/sathya_sai__baba.htm">Ref</a>).<br /><br />Timothy Conway blindly makes his case based on allegations he read and believed but never properly researched or verified for himself. Timothy Conway’s <em>“strategy”</em> is to affront all decent people who want to know the <u>truth</u> about the allegations <strong>without</strong> rumor-mongering, speculations and exaggerations. Timothy Conway’s <em>“compassionate empathy”</em> was so great that he completely <strong>ignored</strong> the heart-wrenching pleas of alleged victims (who said they were willing to testify against Sai Baba) and <u>refused</u> to do the ethical thing and help them file a court case in India. It certainly appears that Timothy Conway’s <em>“compassionate empathy”</em> was lip service only.<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">JH: People face a crisis of faith.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">TC: In the present case, if people’s faith has become an idolatrous worship of the name and form of Sai (in the same manner that esteemed philosophers, theologians and religion historians like John Hick, John Cobb, Jr., and Wilfred Cantwell Smith have accused too many Christians of idolizing the historic person of Jesus of Nazareth), then this idolatrous faith needs to be smashed open in a <em>“crisis”</em> that will free such persons from their idolatry and liberate them into the worship of the true, transcendent, formless God.<br /><br />Now, I am aware that the formless, transpersonal, transcendent God can take a personal form — this is India’s doctrine of the Avatar, and Christianity’s idea of the Divine Incarnation of the Son. And faith in the Avatar or Divine Incarnation can be legitimate if it does not descend into narrow-minded sectarianism (always a danger for those religious-spiritual groups that worship a specific form of the Divine).<br /><br />But if Sathya Sai Baba is acting in ways that seriously violate traditionally accepted notions of Dharma, Ahimsa, Prema and Satya (Righteousness, Nonviolence, Love and Truth), then our faith in Baba as <em>“the avatar [DIvine Incarnation] of the age”</em> needs to go through a crisis and get undone and transformed, refocused onto the formless Divine.</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> Although Timothy Conway is a promoter of Hinduism, the Vedas, Gurus and the concept of Avatars, he is <strong>completely ignorant</strong> about the fact that Avatars do <u>not</u> live and act in the traditionally accepted norms of Sathya, Dharma, Shanti, Prema and Ahima (Truth, Righteousness, Peace, Love and Non-Violence). A few examples:<br /><ol><br /><li>Parasurama, the ax-wielding Avatar, was said to have slaughtered every adult Kshatriya on Earth twenty-one times (filling five lakes with blood) because he was filled with revenge at his father’s murder.</li><br /><li>Lord Rama was said to have slaughtered <strong>millions</strong> of human-like demons during his lifetime. Rama exiled his wife Sita (while she five months pregnant with twins) into a forest simply because someone overheard an intemperate washerman say that Rama took back his wife after she lived in the house of another man (i.e., Ravana). Rama felt that his dharma might be stained, so he exiled his pregnant wife to the forest despite her trial by fire that proved her innocence.</li><br /><li>It is alleged that the Kurukshetra War (a war that if true would be the <strong>bloodiest</strong> war in recorded history) resulted from Lord Krishna’s <strong>failed</strong> peace mission with the Kauravas. It is said that literally <strong>millions</strong> of men died within a period of 18 days (leaving innumerable wives widowed and children orphaned) and that <strong>rivers of blood</strong> flowed the carnage. Lord Krishna (a Purna Avatar) even stated in the Gita that the Kurukshetra war was a door to heaven. During the lifetime of Lord Krishna, there were allegedly numerous instances of violence, curses, demon-attacks, etc., that resulted in the deaths of many people, children and even babies (as in the case of Kamsa where he bludgeoned babies in anticipation of Lord Krishna’s birth). Krishna’s escapades with the Gopis are clearly sexual and have been immortalized in erotic painting and art. Krishna had a habit of stealing as a child and was even nic-named the <em>“butter thief”</em> and he often lied to Mother Yoshoda. Lord Krishna is alleged to have lived in incest with his sister Subhadra (sharing her with his brother Balarama). The Rig Veda mentioned that the <em>“Vedic Pushan is the lover of his sister”</em> (Rig Veda – Book 6, Hymn 55:4). There are stories about how Lord Krishna’s 16,000 drunken wives (yes, all allegedly married to one person) were ready to commit incest with Krishna’s son, Samba. As a result of this incident, Lord Krishna cursed Samba to be afflicted with leprosy and cursed his 16,000 wives to be carried off by barbarians after his death (which allegedly happened right before Arjuna’s eyes). Lord Krishna also willed the destruction of his family and accepted a curse that forced the Yadhava Clan to slaughter themselves in an orgy of bloodlust. Sri Krishna even beheaded Sisupala in public.</li><br /></ol><br />Needless to say, devotees interpret these strange and highly questionable incidents as being part of God’s inscrutable lila or play and <strong>eulogize</strong> these lilas through song, dance and art. Devotees argue that ordinary humans cannot fathom or plumb the depths of the Avatar. The Avatar is alleged to see past, present and future and his actions (no matter how seeming immoral or criminal) are alleged to ultimately serve a dharmic purpose. Even the numerous atrocities that God commanded in the Old Testament (including the coveting of virgins and the slaughter of pregnant women and children) are excused and explained away. Avatars (whose powers distinguish them from ordinary humans) do <u>not</u> always abide by the traditionally accepted norms of Sathya, Dharma, Shanti, Prema and Ahimsa. Therefore, Timothy Conway’s arguments are hypocritical and self-serving because he is a <strong>promoter</strong> of Avatars, Gurus and Hindu scriptures. Whatever justifications Timothy Conway may make for Avatars could similarly be applied to Sai Baba by his devotees.<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">JH: Some of them [those following Sai] leave, some stay.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">TC: I would comment that there are any number of motives, some mature and some immature, why certain people leave Baba, and there are any number of motives, mature and immature, why certain people stay. We need to look at the maturity of the motive — not the bare fact that <em>“some leave, some stay.”</em><br /><br />So, for instance, someone who has sold all her possessions and bought or rented a home outside Prashanti Nilayam and is now 80 years old might not have the financial means to re-locate somewhere else. She might continue to spend time at the ashram canteen or darshan grounds simply because so many old friends are there and also in a spirit of gratitude for the many beautiful experiences brought by her association with Baba. Yet she might also feel the need to strongly critique Baba’s behavior among her acquaintances and call for realization of the Divine Inner Guru. In that respect, she might be staying at Prashanti yet will have maturely <em>“left Baba.”</em><br /><br />On the other hand, some persons may <em>“stay”</em> with Baba, either at Prashanti or at their local Sai Center, merely because they refuse to believe the accounts about Baba’s sexual improprieties or apologetically rationalize them away with high-flown mental gymnastics. These persons don’t have the requisite maturity to grow up and face the ethical implications of what Baba is doing to innocent youth.<br /><br />Then again, there may be people who run away from Baba and become obsessive critics of Sai, because they suffer from a reactionary, immature sense of ego-betrayal, and act in puerile fashion like a jilted teen lover—filled with vitriolic rage.</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> Dr. Conway’s reference to an 80 year-old woman pertains to Jeanette Ramsey, whose story he misrepresented with incomplete facts. Even as recently as 2005 (the last time I was in India), Jeanette Ramsey was <u>still</u> praising Sai Baba, carried pictures of him and occasionally attended darshans. Mrs. Ramsey is a staunch practitioner and promoter of amaroli (urine therapy). Therefore, it is not completely clear if Jeanette Ramsey <em>“maturely“</em> left Sai Baba (as Timothy Conway would like for others to believe) or she <strong>immaturely</strong> feigns devotion and lies to others about her devotee status.<br /><br />It is amusing that Timothy Conway distinguishes <u>himself</u> from Ex-Devotees who <em>“suffer from a reactionary, immature sense of ego-betrayal, and act in puerile fashion like a jilted teen lover—filled with vitriolic rage”</em>. I think Timothy Conway’s responses on this page fully support the perception that <u>he</u> is suffering <em>“from a reactionary, immature sense of ego-betrayal, and acts in a puerile fashion like a jilted teen lover—filled with vitriolic rage”</em>. My <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/ex-devotees-critics-skeptics.html">webpages about Ex-Devotees</a> fully documents their reactionary, immature and vitriolic smear campaigns against Sai Baba. <br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">JH: How one fares in this crisis depends on one’s <em>“capacity”</em> (an important spiritual term for the strength of one’s faith and love).</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">TC: I agree. But beware Hawley’s unstated implication that those who stay with Baba have some greater spiritual capacity than those who move beyond the name/form of Sathya Sai.</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> Timothy Conway <strong>obsessively</strong> attempts to convince others about moving beyond the <em>“name and form”</em> of Sai Baba to the <em>“formless God”</em>, <em>“formless Divine”</em>, <em>“Divine Inner Guru”</em> etc. What is so hypocritical about Conway’s rants is that he thoroughly <strong>promotes</strong> (in published books) and <strong>believes</strong> in <u>numerous</u> <em>“names and forms”</em> belonging to various Gurus and spiritual personalities.<br /><br />As a matter of fact, Timothy Conway is a disciple of Nisargadatta Maharaj and rants and raves about the <em>“names and forms”</em> of Jesus, Buddha, Ramana Maharshi, Shirdi Sai Baba, Ramakrishna, Meher Baba, Nityananda, the 14th Dalai Lama and 16th Karmapa, Padre Pio, Gemma Galgani, Maria Esperanza, Mother Teresa of Calcutta, Hsuan-hua, Taungpulu Sayadaw, Ajahn Chah, Cheng Yen, Sheikh al-Alawi, Anasuya Devi, Anandamayi Ma, Amritanandamayi (Amma), Narayana Guru, Yoga Swami, Brahmajna Ma, Swami Gnanananda, Annamalai Swami, Hsu Yun, Hsuan Hua, Harada Roshi, Thich Nhat Hanh, Ajahn Chah, Shaykh al-Alawi, Thomas Merton, Henri Le Saux (Abhishiktananda), Seraphim of Sarov, Rebbe Menachem Mendel Schneersohn and <em>“several thousand other sages, saints, adepts, prophets and incarnations”</em>.<br /><br />Isn’t it strange (and hypocritical) that for someone who ceaselessly attempts to advise others on moving beyond the <em>“name and form”</em> of Sai Baba, he promotes, eulogizes and is devoted to the <em>“names and forms”</em> of others?<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">JH: The big question, of course, is <em>“is it true?”</em> And the truth is that we (all of us) don’t know! Many think they know, but they don’t really know. But I do — at least I know some things (as I’m sure many others do also). I will not talk about all I know, but I can say this: It is NOT what some minds have leaped to.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">TC: Notice that Hawley, in his characteristic evasiveness in this essay, never identifies the reference for <em>“it”</em> in his posed question, <em>“is it true?”</em> This is his way of covering up and keeping the lid on the serious allegations that are being made about Baba’s sexual behavior (and perhaps Baba’s alleged trickery is also referred to here — though I think the reference is primarily to Baba’s sexual activities). Nowhere in his essay does he mention any specific behavior about which the <em>“rumors”</em> are arising.<br /><br />Next, Hawley engages us in some fancy-dancy epistemology: how do we ever know what we claim to know? Yes, epistemological concerns are valid in many areas of life, and ultimately one can make a great case for skepticism when it comes to existential truth claims. (See, for example, the ancient Buddhist master Nagarjuna’s Madhyamika Buddhist movement, basis for the Ch’an/Zen/Son Buddhist tradition of China/Japan/Korea — which urged that we refrain from fixed positions and rigid mental views, and instead abide in the <em>“non-dwelling,”</em> <em>“no position,”</em> <em>“don’t-know”</em> Zen mind. A similar position developed in certain Western schools of mysticism, such as advocated by the medieval British Christian author of the famous treatise <em>“The Cloud of Unknowing.”</em>)<br /><br />But within our human society’s conventions, when we have sworn affidavits by individuals who are willing to go on record and say (and be willing to say in a court of law) that Baba has molested them as minors, and inappropriately touched their genitals (it is ALWAYS INAPPROPRIATE for an adult to touch the genitals of a minor EXCEPT IN A LICENSED, CONSENSUAL MEDICAL SITUATION) — then this evasive epistemological smokescreen put up by Hawley is unconscionable behavior. It serves as part of a cover-up, an unlawful, prosecutable conspiracy of silence.<br /><br />Mr. Hawley appears to be ignorant of the fact that in most civilized countries there are <em>“mandated reporting”</em> rules holding that adults who know of the sexual molestation of minors MUST report these allegations to the authorities and to any persons who might become victims of this molestation behavior. Hawley’s cover-up makes him an accomplice in the sexual molestation crimes committed by Baba.<br /><br />Notice here, too, the presumptuous conceit displayed by Hawley in his assertion: <em>“Many think they know, but they don’t really know. But I do — at least I know some things (as I’m sure many others do also). I will not talk about all I know, but I can say this: It is NOT what some minds have leaped to.”</em><br /><br />In making this statement, Hawley presumes to know more than those who disagree with him — that is, he tacitly claims to know the real meaning of Baba’s behavior. And this presumptuous attitude he maintains throughout the rest of his essay.<br /><br />On this point, we should remember that numerous longtime Sai devotees have left Sathya Sai, explicitly or ostensibly over the inappropriate sexual activity by Baba. These longtime close observers obviously perceived a different meaning for Baba’s behavior than the meaning Hawley attributes to this behavior. Hawley thinks Sai’s behavior is evidence of the Divine. Former devotees apparently think otherwise. In short, there are different interpretations for this sexual behavior, and Hawley presumes to have the only legitimate interpretation.<br /><br />Incidentally, I am not presuming, in my critique of Sai’s sexual activities with children and unconsenting young men as <em>“criminal,”</em> to have the only legitimate interpretation, either. I have sometimes thought that Sai is lustfully <em>“taking on”</em> (on a psychic level) the lust of humanity to clear our sexual karma. But the conventions of our society’s laws must take precedence over our metaphysical rationalizations about Sai’s molesting of children.</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> It is completely <u>true</u> that Jack Hawley <strong>never</strong> mentioned <u>any</u> particulars about the rumors he addressed in his letter. Such being the case, it is be noted that Timothy Conway speculated, assumed and jumped to conclusions <em>a priori</em> as to what he <em>thought</em> Jack Hawley <em>might</em> have been referring to in his letter. Apparently, Timothy Conway <strong>never</strong> sought clarification from Jack Hawley first-hand and simply responded to his letter, basing his arguments on paranoia and highly subjective inferences. After forming his conspiracy theory (based on self-admitted and reckless speculations), Timothy Conway shamelessly and criminally accused Jack Hawley of being an <em>“accomplice in sexual molestation crimes”</em>. This type of illogic and irrationality is highly indicative of an <strong>extremist</strong> who relies on <em>straw man fallacies</em> to win an illusionary point. Using Timothy Conway’s logic, alleged victim’s <strong>parents</strong> are <em>“accomplices in sexual molestation crimes”</em> and failed in their legal duty of <em>“mandated reporting”</em> because there are <u>no</u> <strong>known</strong> <em>“child molestation”</em> charges, court cases or basic police complaints filed against Sai Baba in India.<br /><br />Timothy Conway again resorted to his faulty <em>“sworn affidavits”</em> argument. This time around, however, Timothy Conway <strong>exaggerated</strong> and claimed that alleged victims were willing to go on record (even in a court of law) and say that Sai Baba molested them as minors. <strong>Where</strong> did Timothy Conway get this information from? Although Timothy Conway told me he got his <em>“sworn affidavits”</em> information from the <em>India Today</em> article and Glen Meloy (on whose word he blindly accepted), it is peculiar that Jens Sethi and Hans de Kraker were <strong>adults</strong> when they had their alleged unsavory experiences with Sai Baba (<u>not</u> <em>“minors”</em> as spuriously alleged by Conway). No one has been able to produce <strong>even one</strong> affidavit from <u>any</u> alleged victim. In 10+ years, <u>no</u> alleged victim has <strong>ever</strong> filed a court case against Sai Baba in India, thus refuting the claim that alleged victims said (and where did they make that claim to begin with?) they would testify in a court of law that they were <em>“molested as minors”</em>. As discussed earlier, Timothy Conway’s unsupported claims of <em>“child molestation”</em> have been refuted in my article entitled <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/pedophilia-pedophile-child-sexual-abuse-offender-rings.html">False Pedophile Allegations Against Sathya Sai Baba</a>.<br /><br />The main thrusts to Timothy Conway’s arguments are based on stories and Anti-Sai propaganda that he read and <strong>blindly believed</strong>. It goes without mention that Timothy Conway is a very gullible individual who is willing to go to unreasonable and unsound extremes to explain away valid questions regarding alleged victims. For example, several alleged victims claimed that while they were being molested by Sai Baba in the private interview room, he made <em>“loud moaning sounds”</em>, <em>“loud noises”</em>, <em>“loud voices”</em>, <em>“loud, wild voices”</em>, etc., while people in the adjacent room heard <strong>absolutely nothing</strong> (although the private and main interview rooms are separated by a door covered with a cloth curtain only). It is <strong>completely</strong> <u>true</u> that Sathya Sai Baba can be heard whispering to devotees in the private interview room from the adjacent room. I have experienced this first-hand, as have numerous others. If Sathya Sai Baba made <u>any</u> sort of <em>“loud”</em> moaning sounds, people in the adjacent room would have heard it.<br /><br />Attempting to refute these <strong>facts</strong>, Timothy Conway first attempted to <u>change</u> the words of alleged victims by claiming what they <u>really</u> meant was <em>“very soft moaning sounds, inaudible beyond the curtains or walls”</em>. Then Timothy Conway attempted to argue that <u>if</u> Sai Baba possesses paranormal powers, he could easily <em>“warp spacetime”</em> by creating an <em>“insular interdimensional environment”</em> where he could engage in abuse without easy detection. Attempting to bolster this asinine argument, Timothy Conway argued that people who are abducted by aliens and who experience the <em>“missing time”</em> phenomenon, have been lifted, transported and relocated to other areas without their spouses being aware of anything amiss. That’s right, Timothy Conway believes that it is possible that Sai Baba molested alleged victims on another dimension, which is why it is so difficult for them to prove their allegations and why there is an abysmal lack of witnesses supporting their claims (<a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/timothy_conway/email-correspondence-timothy-conway.html#timothy_conway_email_10">Ref: Conway Email No. 10</a>).<br /><br />Similarly, Timothy Conway <strong>believed</strong> and <strong>endorsed</strong> the alleged experiences of Shirlи Klein-Carsh, a so-called <em>“Indigo”</em> (an alleged extraterrestrial alien that voluntarily incarnates on Earth) who claimed she was psychologically, spiritually and artistically guided by a cleverly disguised alien from Sirius (the star in the constellation of Canis Major) who worked as an electronics repairman in a second-hand shop (<a target="_blank" href="http://www.amazon.com/Artist-Alien-Dena-Blatt/dp/1432712853/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1196797341&sr=1-1">Ref</a>).<br /><br />Timothy Conway is a true believer and promoter of Gurus <span style="font-size:78%;"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Women_of_Power_and_Grace_testimonials.html">[3]</a></span>, Mystics <span style="font-size:78%;"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Women_of_Power_and_Grace_testimonials.html">[3]</a></span>, Enlightened Masters <span style="font-size:78%;"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Women_of_Power_and_Grace_testimonials.html">[3]</a></span>, psychics <span style="font-size:78%;"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Postmortem_survival_of_the_soul.html">[1]</a></span> <span style="font-size:78%;"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Guidance_on_choices.html">[2]</a></span> <span style="font-size:78%;"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Remote_Viewing.html">[4]</a></span>, levitation <span style="font-size:78%;"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Miracles.html">[5]</a></span>, bi-location <span style="font-size:78%;"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Miracles.html">[5]</a></span>, miracles <span style="font-size:78%;"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Miracles.html">[5]</a></span>, remote-viewing <span style="font-size:78%;"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Remote_Viewing.html">[4]</a></span>, elementals, meditation <span style="font-size:78%;"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Guidance_on_choices.html">[2]</a></span> <span style="font-size:78%;"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/meditation_trends_and_styles.html">[6]</a></span>, paranormal powers <span style="font-size:78%;"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Miracles.html">[5]</a></span>, aliens <span style="font-size:78%;"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Remote_Viewing.html">[4]</a></span> <span style="font-size:78%;"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.amazon.com/Artist-Alien-Dena-Blatt/dp/1432712853/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1196797341&sr=1-1">[10]</a></span>, rebirth <span style="font-size:78%;"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Postmortem_survival_of_the_soul.html">[1]</a></span> <span style="font-size:78%;"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Reincarnation.html">[7]</a></span>, reincarnation <span style="font-size:78%;"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Postmortem_survival_of_the_soul.html">[1]</a></span> <span style="font-size:78%;"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Reincarnation.html">[7]</a></span>, karma <span style="font-size:78%;"><a target="_blank" href="http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:Wt6VH_3yoa0J:www.enlightened-spirituality.org/support-files/6karmas.pdf+site:enlightened-spirituality.org&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=90&gl=us">[8]</a></span>, oracles <span style="font-size:78%;"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Guidance_on_choices.html">[2]</a></span>, I-Ching <span style="font-size:78%;"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Guidance_on_choices.html">[2]</a></span>, sensitives <span style="font-size:78%;"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Postmortem_survival_of_the_soul.html">[1]</a></span> <span style="font-size:78%;"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Guidance_on_choices.html">[2]</a></span>, channelers <span style="font-size:78%;"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Postmortem_survival_of_the_soul.html">[1]</a></span> <span style="font-size:78%;"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Guidance_on_choices.html">[2]</a></span>, astrology <span style="font-size:78%;"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Guidance_on_choices.html">[2]</a></span>, astrologists <span style="font-size:78%;"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Guidance_on_choices.html">[2]</a></span>, palm-reading <span style="font-size:78%;"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Guidance_on_choices.html">[2]</a></span>, non-duality <span style="font-size:78%;"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&as_qdr=all&q=+%22nonduality%22+site%3Aenlightened-spirituality.org">[9]</a></span>, etc. (the list goes on and on).<br /><br />Timothy Conway is also of the opinion that Sathya Sai Baba has/had genuine paranormal powers, but explains away these powers as:<br /><ul><br /><li>Sai Baba being a <em>“contaminated channel”</em> for the postmortem influence and powers of Shirdi Sai Baba (who died in 1918).</li><br /><li>Sai Baba being a <em>“highly adept but fallen yogi”</em>.</li><br /><li>Sai Baba being assisted by <em>“elemental spirits”</em> or other entities from interdimensional planes. Timothy Conway said, <em>“No joke: it’s a very old, worldwide knowledge that one can derive certain powers by contacting such entities.”</em> (<a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/timothy_conway/email-correspondence-timothy-conway.html#timothy_conway_email_8">Ref: Conway Email No. 8</a>).</li><br /></ul><br />Timothy Conway even suggested that there is a spiritual reason behind these allegations and said:<br /><br /><blockquote><em>“I have sometimes thought that Sai is lustfully ‘taking on’ (on a psychic level) the lust of humanity to clear our sexual karma.”</em></blockquote><br />In the past, Timothy Conway made this same argument:<br /><br /><blockquote><em>“Now, a purna avatar would, it seems, incarnate the totality of God, including the polarity play of light-dark, purity-mischief, unattachment-lust, and so on. This is a disturbing concept, but perhaps quite applicable to Baba’s controversial activity. Moreover, the sexual activity, which we now know to apparently involve considerable lust, might be Baba’s way of transmuting the very heavy sexual energy among humanity at this time on the planet.”</em> (This comment, taken from the <em>Sai Critic</em>, has been <u>confirmed</u> by Conway to be his actual words)</blockquote><br />Therefore, Timothy Conway’s <strong>shabby</strong> and <strong>conspiratorial</strong> arguments (via speculations, assumptions and straw-man fallacies) are indicative of <u>his</u> <em>“presumptuous attitude”</em> and <em>“presumptuous conceit”</em> (tones he maintains throughout the rest of his responses).<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">JH: It is the worldly function of the mind to reach conclusions.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">TC: Notice that Baba in his many recorded and published speeches and conversations also frequently employs the mind to <em>“reach conclusions.”</em> So did the Buddha, Shankara, Ramana Maharshi, and other luminaries. Hawley wants to imply with his wording that only <em>“worldly”</em> people will come to conclusions–for instance, conclusions that Baba’s behavior is inappropriate. Hawley then follows with some standard insights about how the mind often needs to function:</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> Jack Hawley’s sentence is qualified and understood in the context of the paragraph to which it belonged. <br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">JH: When the mind doesn’t know the answer to a question it becomes psychologically distressed. Then it grabs at answers and stretches for concepts that might help it feel better. It readily accepts simplistic analogies, buzz words, and labels — anything that alleviates its puzzled state. Most of the <em>“answers”</em> it comes up with are wrong, but the mind doesn’t care! Worse yet, once it latches onto an <em>“answer,”</em> the mind stops receiving new information. In effect it says, <em>“Sorry, this issue is closed. I will no longer accept anything that could upset my tenuous equilibrium.”</em></span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">TC: This is all quite true. But please notice that the syndrome of premature, inaccurate concluding is exactly typical of the many <em>“true-believer”</em> Sai devotees who, in their psychological attempt to alleviate anxiety in their <em>“crisis of faith,”</em> engage in pathological denial or rationalization that <em>“Baba’s sexual activity is divine.”</em> These devotees are engaging in the same <em>“premature concluding”</em> by the <em>“worldly mind.”</em><br /><br />It is just these true-believer Sai devotees who, to use Hawley’s own terminology, are terribly <em>“distressed”</em> by hearing the news of Baba’s molestation of children and promiscuous homosexual activities and deceit, and who are now <em>“grabbing at answers”</em> from people like Hawley and others who have written apologetic materials that rationalize away the serious moral and legal implications of Baba’s acts. These devotees are accepting the <em>“simplistic analogies”</em> (<em>“Baba is raising the boys’ kundalini [spiritual energy],”</em> <em>“purifying their karma,”</em> etc.) and <em>“buzz words”</em> (<em>“Baba is the avatar, and everything the avatar does is for a greater purpose,”</em> etc.) so as to alleviate these devotees’ <em>“puzzled state.”</em> And now these devotees, having <em>“latched onto an answer,”</em> <em>“stop receiving new information”</em> and, in effect, say: <em>“Sorry this issue is closed. I will no longer accept anything that could upset my tenuous equilibrium [as a staunch Sai devotee].”</em><br /><br />In short, Hawley’s critical analysis can be turned right back to apply to him and to other true-believer Sai devotees.</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> Instead of critiquing Jack Hawley words, Timothy Conway made <strong>irrelevant</strong> and <strong>unsourced</strong> arguments against Sai Baba and Sai Devotees.<br /><br />The fact of the matter remains that <strong>many</strong> Sai Devotees do <u>not</u> believe the allegations against Sathya Sai Baba based on rational, intellectual, factual and common sense observations. No need to resort to <em>“divinity”</em> claims or <em>“true believer”</em> claims (like Conway can often be seen engaging in himself). Some of these rational, intellectual, factual and common-sense observations are:<br /><ul><br /><li>Alleged victims have <strong>never</strong> (ever) filed a <u>basic</u> police complaint against Sai Baba in India for alleged improprieties.</li><br /><li>Alleged victims have <strong>never</strong> (ever) filed a court case against Sai Baba in India for alleged improprieties.</li><br /><li>Sathya Sai Baba has <strong>never</strong> (ever) been formally charged with <u>any</u> crime, sexual or otherwise.</li><br /><li>Alleged victims contradictory stories, questionable claims, revealing personal comments and internet behavior strongly argue that they are <u>not</u> credible.</li><br /><li>Although it is claimed that alleged victims filed <em>“affidavits”</em> and were willing to testify in a court of law in India against Sai Baba, they have <strong>never</strong> been able to obtain the representation of a lawyer despite:<br /><ul><br /><li>The lucrative prospect of a successful suit.</li><br /><li>The offer of <strong>free</strong> <em>“world-class legal resources”</em> from Ex-Devotees.</li><br /><li>Ex-Devotees constant claims that they are in correspondence with international lawyers.</li><br /></ul><br /></li><br /><li>Several alleged victims dubiously claimed that Sathya Sai Baba literally and miraculously transformed his penis into a vagina (and vice-versa) with a snap of his fingers (<a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/hermaphrodite.html">Ref</a>).</li><br /><li>Alleged victims stories and accounts are often repeated, clarified, explained, changed, furthered and argued by <u>non</u>-victims who were <strong>never</strong> abused themselves and who <strong>never</strong> witnessed an incident of alleged abuse themselves. Even going back to 2001, Anti-Sai <u>sympathizers</u> rightly questioned the hearsay allegations against Sai Baba (<a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/hearsay-allegations-since-2001.html">Ref</a>).</li><br /><li>Some of the most vocal voices in the Anti-Sai Movement (i.e., <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-Priddy/robert-priddy-deception.html">Robert Priddy</a>, <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-Pittard/barry-pittard-deception.html">Barry Pittard</a>, <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-Dadlani/dadlani-deception.html">Sanjay Dadlani</a>, <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-Oclery/anthony-tony-deception.html">Tony O’Clery</a>, <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-Larsson/larsson-deception.html">Conny Larsson</a> and <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-VanDerSandt/reinier-rfj-sandt-deception.html">R.F.J. Sandt</a>) have obsessively resorted to deceit, gutter tactics, defamations, blatant misrepresentation of facts, hostility and outright prevarication. This type of shocking and <strong>very disturbing</strong> behavior has effectively <strong>negated</strong> critic’s self-professed and alleged credibility.</li><br /><li><u>All</u> of the negative media against Sai Baba was the result of critic’s behind-the-scenes subterfuge, unremitting propaganda and <em>“e-bombing campaigns”</em>. Critics even <strong>boasted</strong> on Anti-Sai websites how <u>they</u> were responsible for and involved with various negative media exposures against Sai Baba.</li><br /><li>Anti-Sai Activists have waged extensive and unremitting smear campaigns on the internet through hundreds of websites and on thousands of webpages (<a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/pervasive-online-smear-campaigns.html">Ref</a>), even utilizing a <strong>fraudulent</strong> <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/sathya-sai-baba-and-petition-saipetitionnet.html">Sai Petition</a> to further their hateful objectives.</li><br /><li>Several critics of Sai Baba (i.e., <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-Priddy/robert-priddy-deception.html">Robert Priddy</a>, <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-Dadlani/dadlani-deception.html">Sanjay Dadlani</a>, <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-Oclery/anthony-tony-deception.html">Tony O’Clery</a>, <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/usedbybaba.html">UsedByBaba</a>, <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Barbara_Dent.html">Barbara Dent</a> and <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-VanDerSandt/reinier-rfj-sandt-deception.html">R.F.J. Sandt</a>) have used numerous incognito internet names, attempting to pass themselves off as various individuals, including Pro-Sai activists. This type of <strong>fully documented</strong> behavior (Refs: <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/QuickTopic/ex-devotees-quicktopic-forum.html">01</a> – <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-VanDerSandt/reinier-van-der-sandt.html">02</a>) strongly argues that many of the allegations against Sai Baba may be entirely <strong>fabricated</strong> by mentally unsound people whose primary goal is to <strong>deceive</strong>.</li><br /></ul><br />Sai Devotees are <u>not</u> the only ones who are <em>“true believers”</em>. Timothy Conway <u>himself</u> is an extreme <em>“true believer”</em>, as are many critics of Sai Baba (<a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-Priddy/z-lunatic-fringe-cults-ashrams-religious-movements.html">Ref</a>).<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">JH: Regarding the recent rumors…</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">TC: Again notice Hawley’s misuse of language here. He talks of <em>“recent”</em> rumors when these stories of sexual behavior (albeit nearly all of them involve young men; the stories about minors are more recent) have been around for at least 20 years in print [most prominently, Tal Brooke's book in its different editions], and at least another decade in oral story-telling form [i.e., among Brooke and his interviewees]. And his use of the term <em>“rumors”</em> can no longer apply when victims are legally swearing to signed affidavits in print. (For example, the India Today publication has reproduced these affidavits).<br /><br />We have reached the stage wherein the controversial Sai activity is no longer a matter of <em>“rumors,”</em> but differing truth-claims, and these need to be adjudicated, either by a monumental mediation session or by legal proceedings in a court of law.</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> Tal Brooke’s stories <u>are</u> <em>“rumors”</em> and <strong>hearsay</strong>. In 30+ years, <strong>not even one</strong> person has come forward to corroborate Tal Brooke’s tall stories. I have already discussed Tal Brooke in-depth earlier on this page.<br /><br />Timothy Conway <u>again</u> cited the <strong>fraudulent</strong> <em>“affidavits”</em> claim made in <em>India Today</em> (which I already discussed and refuted in-depth earlier on this page). As one can see, the foundational arguments that Timothy Conway parrots like an automaton against Sai Baba (i.e., affidavits, child-molestation and Tal Brooke), are <strong>poorly researched</strong>, inherently flawed and are <strong>not</strong> backed up with <u>credible</u> or <u>verifiable</u> documentation.<br /><br />Although Ex-Devotees claim (even to the present day) that they are seeking to bring Sai Baba to <em>“justice”</em>, alleged victims have <u>not</u> been willing to cooperate with them. Therefore, Ex-Devotees have resorted to <strong>malicious</strong> smear and hate campaigns where they act as prosecutors, judge and jury.<br /><br />Timothy Conway’s outrage and ethical sensitivities are invoked for theatrical effect only. Dr. Conway has <strong>not</strong> assisted <u>any</u> alleged victim to file a court case against Sai Baba in India or obtain access to legal representation (probably because Dr. Conway <strong>never</strong> met <u>any</u> of the alleged victims whose cases he cited, argued for and defended).<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">JH: 1. They are definitely not <em>“the truth”</em> as people so carelessly use the term truth (They may seem <em>“true”</em> to some, but they are not <em>“The Truth.”</em>)</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">TC: This is more epistemological fancy-dancing. The ultimate <em>“Truth”</em> with a capital <em>“T”</em> is, of course, what the Vedanta and Buddhist traditions refer to as pertaining to the level of paramartha (<em>“supreme Truth”</em> or <em>“absolute Reality”</em>). On this <em>“absolute”</em> or <em>“ultimate”</em> or <em>“supreme”</em> Truth level, we have mystical declarations like <em>“God (Brahman, Dharmakaya) alone IS.”</em> <em>“Phenomena and selves are not real.”</em> And so on.<br /><br />In contrast, phenomena and personality-selves pertain to the conventional or relative or worldly level, called by Hindu Vedantins the vyavaharika level, what the Buddhists term the samvriti level. This is the level of conventional <em>“truth”</em> with a small-case <em>“t.”</em><br /><br />As I have repeatedly pointed out in my response to the views of Sai devotee Ram Das Awle [author of a manuscript for an upcoming book which, in part, contains an apology for Baba’s behavior], all great spiritual masters urge us not to mix up these two levels. Yes, <em>“it’s all one!”</em> on the absolute paramartha level, but, as the enlightened Zen masters say, enlightenment is ultimately about <em>“chopping wood, carrying water,”</em> and, to quote a hadith of Muhammad: <em>“Trust in God but tie up your camel!”</em> When Hindu masters describe the need for observing the yamas and niyamas (the moral <em>“do’s and don’ts”</em>), they are talking on this conventional level.<br /><br />Hawley apparently wants us to keep exclusively focused on the paramartha level that <em>“God alone is”</em> and to hold onto the lofty opinion that Sathya Sai Baba is the pure expression of God. But Mr. Hawley should be aware that we can operate from the ultimate Truth-context that God alone is while honoring the conventional ethical truth that molesting children and lying about sexual activity is completely inappropriate.</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> Ram Das Awle has <u>not</u> published a book. Nor has he <u>ever</u> made an <em>“apology”</em> for Sai Baba’s alleged behavior. When I directly questioned Timothy Conway (via e-mail) about Awle’s alleged <em>“apology”</em>, he responded:<br /><br /><blockquote><em>“In that context, I meant that word ‘apology’ in the sense of definition #1 in Merriam-Webster: ‘a formal justification; defense,’ not the sense of ‘expressing regret, conceding wrong.’ This is a legitimate use of the word.”</em></blockquote><br />Timothy Conway’s clarification is woefully inadequate and is indicative of the <strong>very same</strong> <em>“misuse of language”</em> that he accused Jack Hawley of engaging in. Consequently, Ram Das Awle <strong>never</strong> made an <em>“apology”</em> (as it is generally understood) for Sai Baba’s alleged behavior. Timothy Conway used the term <em>“apology”</em> in the <strong>literary</strong> and outdated sense of the word (e.g. <em>“Plato’s Apology”</em>).<br /><br />Jack Hawley said <strong>nothing</strong> about being <em>“exclusively focused on the paramartha level that ‘God alone is’ and to hold onto the lofty opinion that Sathya Sai Baba is the pure expression of God”</em>. <strong>Once again</strong>, Timothy Conway put words into Jack Hawley’s mouth and then criticized those words as if Jack Hawley actually said them. He didn’t.<br /><br />Timothy Conway <u>again</u> mentioned the <strong>fraudulent</strong> <em>“child molestation”</em> claims (which I already discussed and <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/pedophilia-pedophile-child-sexual-abuse-offender-rings.html">refuted</a> in-depth earlier on this page). Timothy Conway blithely tosses around serious and criminal allegations of <em>“child molestation”</em> and thinks it is <strong>entirely</strong> <em>“appropriate”</em>.<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">JH: 2. They are also not any of the other modern, quick-stick labels aimed at grabbing our attention, frightening us, and disgusting us.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">TC: I have no clear idea of what Hawley is talking about when he speaks of <em>“modern, quick-stick labels.”</em> Is he implying that the term <em>“child molestation”</em> or <em>“sexual predatory behavior”</em> is inappropriate for describing the acts by Baba told in the sworn affidavits? If so, then Hawley needs to openly argue and prove his case. These vague words of his do not suffice.</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> It is obvious that Timothy Conway had <em>“no clear idea”</em> what Jack Hawley meant. Perhaps because Jack Hawley’s letter was <u>not</u> intended for Timothy Conway. It was intended for certain Sai Devotees <u>only</u>. Although Timothy Conway had <em>“no clear idea”</em> what Jack Hawley talked about or referred to in his letter, he had the audacity to accuse Hawley of saying things he <strong>never</strong> did.<br /><br />Timothy Conway’s strategy is one of blatant <u>deceit</u>. First Timothy Conway made erroneous inferences and speculations about what he <em>thought</em> Jack Hawley <u>might</u> have referred to. Secondly, Timothy Conway worked himself up into a self-righteous frenzy and offered counter-arguments to <u>his</u> erroneously attributed inferences and speculations. Then Timothy Conway viciously attacked Jack Hawley based <strong>wholly</strong> on the premise that <u>his</u> inferences and speculations were what Jack Hawley really and truly <em>meant</em> to say (but didn’t). Once again, this type of illogic and irrationality is highly indicative of an <strong>extremist</strong> who relies on <em>straw man fallacies</em> to win illusionary points.<br /><br />Timothy Conway <u>again</u> cited the <strong>fraudulent</strong> <em>“affidavits”</em> claim made in <em>India Today</em> (which I already discussed and refuted in-depth earlier on this page). Timothy Conway <u>again</u> mentioned the <strong>fraudulent</strong> <em>“child molestation”</em> claims (which I already discussed and <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/pedophilia-pedophile-child-sexual-abuse-offender-rings.html">refuted</a> in-depth earlier on this page). As one can see, the foundational arguments that Timothy Conway parrots like an automaton against Sai Baba are <strong>poorly researched</strong>, inherently flawed and are <strong>not</strong> backed up with <u>credible</u> or <u>verifiable</u> documentation.<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">JH: 3. What is (or is not) happening at Prasanthi Nilayam is unrelated to current worldly level buzz words and ideas to which the mind so quickly leaps. This is not about a <em>“character flaw”</em> in a mere old man, for example; it has nothing to do with analysis or the so-called <em>“medical model,”</em> or with <em>“scientific”</em> thinking. (The mind sees, or even creates, what it looks for. In this sex and violence obsessed Kali Yuga [era] of today, the mind leaps to obsessive conclusions. Unable to truly understand, yet ever ready to leap, the mind shrouds Divinity with worldly illusions and comes up with wrong conclusions.)</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">TC: Again, Hawley is so terribly vague about the behavior to which he is referring. Basically, he seems to be criticizing any and all attempts to understand more fully what Baba is doing and why. And notice his use of the phrase <em>“obsessive conclusions”</em> as if those mature persons who are trying to uncover Baba’s and the Sai officers’ unethical activities are pathologically <em>“obsessive.”</em><br /><br />I would state that it is decades-long denial and rationalization about Sai that are indicative of pathological obsession on the part of senior Sai devotees, not the quest for truth concerning these inappropriate activities. The latter is commendable, the former is not.</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> If Jack Hawley is so <em>“terribly vague”</em>, how did Timothy Conway <strong>know</strong> what he talked about and referred to in his letter? The only person who made <em>“obsessive conclusions”</em> was Timothy Conway (as evidenced by his <em>broken-record-syndrome</em> in parroting the same claims over and over again <em>ad nauseam</em>). Timothy Conway based his <em>“decades-long denial and rationalization”</em> argument on Tal Brooke (who made his allegations in the mid 70’s). Tal Brooke, in my opinion, is not credible (an opinion shared by the critical scholar Lawrence A. Bapp) and it is <u>not</u> surprising that people dismissed Tal Brooke and his tall stories as religiously-fueled and self-serving propaganda. I think Sai Devotees need not offer <u>any</u> rationalizations or explanations when Sathya Sai Baba has <strong>never</strong> (ever) been formally charged with <u>any</u> crime, sexual or otherwise. Alleged victims have <u>not</u> <strong>even attempted</strong> (in 10+ years) to file a <u>basic</u> police complaint against the guru in India. These are <strong>facts</strong> whereas Timothy Conway’s subjective arguments and speculations are <u>not</u>.<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">JH: 4. What is happening here in Prasanthi is beyond the meager human mind and its ability to <em>“figure out.”</em> It is beyond maya (mind-created illusion). Many things happen here that involve deep, mysterious energies, far beyond what our minds can grasp.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">TC: I am willing to grant that <em>“what is happening here in Prasanthi,”</em> specifically, the many beautiful deeds of Baba and the astounding synchronicities and healings that happen are, truly, <em>“beyond the meager human mind and its ability to ‘figure out.’”</em> I remain convinced that there are paranormal miracles (wondrous anomalies), and <em>“deep, mysterious energies,”</em> perhaps involving multi-dimensional physics and paranormal or supra-normal power, that are occurring around and through the personality of Sathya Sai Baba.<br /><br />We should also be aware that these energies and powers could be coming from Sai Baba of Shirdi and/or the Divine Absolute, while the figure of Sathya Narayana Raju (born in 1926 in Andhra Pradesh state) is merely a vehicle or instrument for these powers and energies, and that the Sathya Narayana personality has an unfinished shadow side involving an addiction to sex with young men and boys, and is willing to use trickery to fake certain <em>“materializations.”</em> [His longtime centimillionaire VIP devotee, Isaac Tigrett, has witnessed and verbally confirmed this fakery of <em>“materializations”</em>; regarding the allegations of sexual molestation of male youth, Tigrett has told an interviewer, <em>“I believe there is truth to the rumours.”</em>]<br /><br />Alternately, Sathya Sai could be an amazingly accomplished but fallen yogi (yogabhrashta) who represents a mixture of wonderful powers and altruistic intentions along with less savory aspects — such as lustful desire, fear of being exposed, etc.</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> Timothy Conway’s comments are amusing, insightful and rather perplexing. For example, Timothy Conway had the following to say about Sathya Sai Baba’s alleged paranormal abilities:<br /><ul><br /><li><strong>Timothy Conway:</strong> <em>“ I remain convinced that there are paranormal miracles (wondrous anomalies), and ‘deep, mysterious energies,’ perhaps involving multi-dimensional physics and paranormal or supra-normal power, that are occurring around and through the personality of Sathya Sai Baba.”</em></li><br /><li><strong>Timothy Conway:</strong> <em>“Sathya Sai could be an amazingly accomplished but fallen yogi (yogabhrashta)…”</em></li><br /><li><strong>Timothy Conway:</strong> <em>“We should also be aware that these energies and powers could be coming from Sai Baba of Shirdi and/or the Divine Absolute…”</em></li><br /><li><strong>Timothy Conway:</strong> <em>“Perhaps he is just a highly adept but fallen yogi or an inter-dimensionally powerful but contaminated ‘channel’ for the former Sai Baba of Shirdi (d.1918).”</em></li><br /><li><strong>Timothy Conway:</strong> <em>“the powers of someone who has some ‘elemental spirits’ or other entities helping him from interdimensional planes? (–no joke: it’s a very old, worldwide knowledge that one can derive certain powers by contacting such entities).”</em> <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/timothy_conway/email-correspondence-timothy-conway.html#timothy_conway_email_8">Ref: Conway Email No. 8</a>.</li><br /><li><strong>Timothy Conway:</strong> <em>“Now, a purna avatar would, it seems, incarnate the totality of God, including the polarity play of light-dark, purity-mischief, unattachment-lust, and so on. This is a disturbing concept, but perhaps quite applicable to Baba’s controversial activity. Moreover, the sexual activity, which we now know to apparently involve considerable lust, might be Baba’s way of transmuting the very heavy sexual energy among humanity at this time on the planet.”</em></li><br /><li><strong>Timothy Conway:</strong> <em>“I have sometimes thought that Sai is lustfully ‘taking on’ (on a psychic level) the lust of humanity to clear our sexual karma.”</em></li><br /><li><strong>Timothy Conway:</strong> <em>“I grant that much or most of Baba’s spectacular mission has been about teaching and demonstrating Love.”</em></li><br /><li><strong>Timothy Conway:</strong> <em>“I do believe that there has been an astonishing amount of genuine goodness, compassion and spiritual upliftment in and around Baba.”</em></li><br /></ul><br />Therefore, Timothy Conway is in the <strong>same</strong> boat as Jack Hawley regarding <em>“We Don’t Know”</em>. Timothy Conway leaves the door open <em>just enough</em> to compromise <u>all</u> his arguments against Sathya Sai Baba. There are <u>no</u> <strong>known</strong> historical (or mythological) figures who have <strong>ever</strong> displayed (while alive) the alleged and <strong>profuse</strong> manifestations attributed to Sathya Sai Baba around the globe. Even <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-Priddy/robert-priddy-deception.html">Robert Priddy</a> and <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-Pittard/barry-pittard-deception.html">Barry Pittard</a> (two of the most vocal Ex-Devotees) have <strong>fully</strong> conceded that Sathya Sai Baba <u>does</u> possess <strong>genuine</strong> paranormal powers (<a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-Pittard/z-sai-baba-genuine-paranormal-powers.html">Ref</a>).<br /><br />The following links contain a <strong>small</strong> sampling of pictures to alleged manifestations and materializations typically associated with the name and form of Sathya Sai Baba:<br /><ul><br /><li><a href="http://www.saibabaofindia.com/swami's_leela_in_uk.htm">Sai Baba Manifestations At Sai Sruti Temple in Harrow, Middlesex, UK</a></li><br /><li><a href="http://www.saibaba.ws/miracles2/rajivadatia.htm">Sathya Sai Baba Vibhuti Manifestations in a Devotee’s House in London</a></li><br /><li><a href="http://www.saibabaofindia.com/divine_vibhuti_miracle_at_bali.htm">Satya Sai Baba Vibuthi Manifestations In Bali, Indonesia</a></li><br /><li><a href="http://www.osaibaba.com/mandir.htm">Sai Baba Manifestations In Colusa, California</a></li><br /><li><a href="http://www.saibaba.ws/miracles/orphanagemysore.htm">Sai Baba Manifestations At Sri Ragnapatnam, Mysore, India</a></li><br /><li><a href="http://vedic.x3fusion.com/saigallery/thumbnails.php?album=1">Sai Baba Gallery Of Miracles</a></li><br /><li><a href="http://www.saisruti.org.uk/pages/photo-gallery.php">Sai Sruti’s Sai Baba Miracle Photos Galleries</a></li><br /></ul><br />Timothy Conway’s comments about Isaac Tigrett are pathologically one-sided. Although it is <u>true</u> that Isaac Tigrett claimed he saw fake materializations, it is <strong>also</strong> <u>true</u> that he claimed he saw <strong>genuine</strong> materializations. Isaac Tigrett claimed that when he fell asleep behind the wheel of his Porsche and drove off a 300 – 400 foot canyon cliff drop, Sathya Sai Baba appeared beside him and embraced him. Tigrett said that although the car was completely destroyed (the doors, roll bar and engine had been ripped from the frame of the car), he walked away from the accident <u>without a scratch</u>.<br /><br />It is <u>true</u> that Isaac Tigrett said (in the BBC Documentary <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-AlayaRahm/z-secret-swami.html">Secret Swami</a>) that he believed there was truth to the rumors against Sai Baba. However, Isaac Tigrett further clarified his answer by saying there was <em>“<u>probably</u>”</em> truth to the rumors (see <em>10.54.25</em> and <em>10.54.47</em> on the <em>Secret Swami</em> transcript). Isaac Tigrett was very good friends with the Rahms and I am sure he blindly believed them when they told him Alaya claimed he was molested. In light of <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/Rahm-Public-Court-Records/">Alaya Rahm’s failed lawsuit</a> (which revealed <strong>purposely</strong> <u>suppressed</u> information about Alaya), I am sure Isaac Tigrett would <u>not</u> take the same position he took on the BBC documentary. As a matter of fact, even I was under the impression (for many years) that Alaya Rahm was sexually abused. Many <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-AlayaRahm/alaya-rahm-testimonies.html">factual inconsistencies</a> in Alaya’s accounts, along with <strong>pivotal</strong> information revealed in his <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/Rahm-Public-Court-Records/">failed lawsuit</a>, have since changed my opinion about the truthfulness of Alaya Rahm’s claims.<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">JH: We do have some quite clear hints about what’s happening here: It has to do with Love so deep, so Divine that nothing can stand in its way — not even the threat of misunderstanding or calumny.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">TC: Again, I grant that much or most of Baba’s spectacular mission has been about teaching and demonstrating Love. And I am aware that numerous great spiritual masters of different religious traditions, especially those who embody the <em>“Divine Trickster”</em> or <em>“Holy Fool”</em> archetype, have behaved in ways that are mystifying, shocking, and unconventional. Thus, such masters have been misunderstood and made the target for calumny.<br /><br />But calumny means <em>“false and malicious accusation,”</em> and in the present case, with numerous accounts of Baba molesting male youth against their will, it would seem that the charges against Baba are neither false nor malicious. These charges are simply the cry of anguished devotees attempting to protect young men and boys from behavior that can have a deeply traumatic effect upon their sensitive psyches.</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> Most of the <em>“charges”</em> against Sathya Sai Baba <u>are</u> false and malicious accusations. Ex-Devotees are <strong>notorious</strong> for their potty mouths, perversions and prevarications. Ex-Devotee’s malicious attacks, gutter untruths and self-serving hypocrisy are too voluminous to include in this section. However, relevant webpages fully exposing them can be found on my <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/ex-devotees-critics-skeptics.html">Anti-Sai Activists Exposed Index</a>. Therefore, Timothy Conway’s comments that the allegations against Sai Baba are far removed from calumny are <strong>patently</strong> <u>false</u>.<br /><br /><strong>All</strong> of the <em>“charges”</em> against Sai Baba have <strong>never</strong> been substantiated through legal venues. Despite serious and criminal allegations of sexual molestation, rape, murder, international racketeering, money laundering, pedophile rings, people-trafficking rings, affiliation with terrorists, drug cartels, smuggling of outdated weapons to third world countries, mafia-associations, assassinations, spies, etc., Sathya Sai Baba and the Sai Organization have <strong>never</strong> (ever) been formally charged with <u>any</u> crime. <strong>Why</strong> is it that <strong>no one</strong> can provide verifiable information or documentation to back-up <u>any</u> of these criminal allegations made <strong><u>exclusively</u></strong> by Ex-Devotees, Indian rationalists and Indian atheists? That is the question that everyone should be asking (including Timothy Conway).<br /><br />Timothy Conway <u>again</u> mentioned <strong>fraudulent</strong> claims of abuse against <em>“boys”</em> (which I already discussed and <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/pedophilia-pedophile-child-sexual-abuse-offender-rings.html">refuted</a> in-depth earlier on this page).<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">JH: It has to do with healing, not harming.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">TC: In light of my comment in the previous paragraph, this claim by Hawley and by other true-believing Sai devotees needs to be proven and not just stated. HOW, SPECIFICALLY, HAS BABA HEALED ANYONE by touching their genitals, performing oral sex upon them, requiring them to perform oral sex upon him, masturbating them, having them masturbate him, threatening them or their parents to keep quiet, and, finally, paying them for sexual favors? Pray tell, HOW, EXACTLY, IS ANY OF THIS BEHAVIOR <em>“HEALING”</em>? Let’s hear specific, clear-cut explanations from Baba and accomplished holistic health practitioners on the dynamics of this <em>“healing”</em> activity, not vague statements and excuses.<br /><br />But no, I submit that the deep feelings of shame, guilt, betrayal, confusion, anger, sadness, numbness, and fear reported by these young men and boys are clearcut evidence of psychological HARM, not healing.<br /><br />They are being abused by an elder whom they and their parents have trusted as Guru, God, and spiritual Father-Mother Sai. And this terrible abuse and breaking of a sacred trust results in pain and trauma, not <em>“healing.”</em><br /><br />I find this particular statement by Hawley to be unconscionably ill-informed, presumptuous, and just plain wrong-headed and cruel-hearted. Maybe he doesn’t intend to be cruel, but that is the psychological effect that his words will undoubtedly have upon the victims of Baba’s sexual predatory behavior.<br /><br />I would respectfully hypothesize that if any of Jack Hawley’s children (I do not know whether, in fact, he has children) were being sexually abused by Baba, they would not appreciate hearing these words from their father. Mr. Hawley should empathetically put himself in the shoes of those hundreds of molested youth and their family members and he will see that such statements (<em>“It has to do with healing, not harming,”</em> etc.) are woefully inappropriate responses to the present crisis.</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> Timothy Conway’s hauteur is repulsive and mind-boggling. Although Jack Hawley said <strong>absolutely</strong> <u>nothing</u> about sexual abuse (directly, indirectly or otherwise), Timothy Conway took off on a <strong>rabid</strong> rant, pointing fingers, flaring nostrils, foaming-at-the-mouth and shrieking that Jack Hawley was somehow attempting to justify sexual abuse.<br /><br />Timothy Conway’s behavior is embarrassing and he should issue an apology to Jack Hawley. Timothy Conway’s gutter tactics and immature finger pointing seem to be aimed at influencing and inciting susceptible purveyors of malice and hatred. I have already pointed out (several times) Timothy Conway’s <strong>nasty</strong> habit of putting words into Jack Hawley’s mouth and then criticizing those words as if Jack Hawley actually said them. Therefore, Timothy Conway’s traducements against Jack Hawley are worthy of a good flush down the toilet so that they can return to the gutter from which they came.<br /><br />Timothy Conway resorted to more exaggerations when he claimed that there are <em>“hundreds of molested youth”</em>. As pointed out earlier, <u>all</u> of these <em>“hundreds of molested youth’s”</em> family members would be <em>“accomplices in sexual molestation crimes”</em> and failed in their legal duty of <em>“mandated reporting”</em> because there are <u>no</u> <strong>known</strong> <em>“child molestation”</em> charges, court cases or basic police complaints filed against Sai Baba in India. Timothy Conway <strong>cannot</strong> factually back up <u>any</u> of his <em>“child molestation”</em> claims with credible and verifiable references, sources or documentation.<br /><br />It is as if Timothy Conway was trapped in a Snow White cartoon where he spoke to a magic mirror and imagined all sorts of scenes and sights. After being carried away by his fervid imaginations, Timothy Conway attributed his mind-created illusions, mirages and self-induced deceptions to Jack Hawley.<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">JH: It has to do with the Avatar’s [Divine Incarnation's] mission here on earth (which, of course, has to fit this crazy Kali age).</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">TC: This explanation by Hawley is no explanation at all. First, it begs the question of whether Sathya Sai Baba is truly an Avatar of the purely divine kind, not just an avatar in the sense that we are all avatars (Divine manifestations). [Elena Hartgering reminds us that this method of defending SSB by appealing to the idea that "Sai Baba is God" is guilty of the fallacy of presumption.]<br /><br />Second, Hawley presumes to know something of what an avatar’s mission would be. Now, according Krishna’s alleged instructions in the Bhagavad Gita [an ancient, authoritative text of Hindu Vedanta], Vishnu’s avatar (God’s special Incarnation) occurs <em>“from age to age”</em> to <em>“restore Dharma (righteousness or virtue) and destroy adharma (non-virtue).”</em><br /><br />It has to be demonstrated that Sathya Sai’s sexual predatory behavior — apparently involving hundreds, maybe even more than a thousand young men and boys — is <em>“restoring Dharma.”</em> Rather, it strikes an increasing number of us worldwide as indicative of nonvirtuous, adharmic behavior by someone who is either not fully Divine (e.g., someone who is a blend of Divine light and dark energies) or else is a <em>“fallen yogi.”</em> (Some nasty naysayers want to say that Baba is actually nothing more than an evil force on the planet, a master of occult powers who masquerades, like the legendary Lucifer, as a being of light and goodness. I don’t accept this analysis of <em>“Baba-as-consummate-evil.”</em> I do believe that there has been an astonishing amount of genuine goodness, compassion and spiritual upliftment in and around Baba.)<br /><br />Finally, I would remark that Ramakrishna, Sai Baba of Shirdi, Ramana Maharshi, Nisargadatta Maharaj, Anandamayi Ma, Meher Baba, Anasuya Devi, Devaraha Baba, Ammachi Amritanandamayi and numerous other highly impressive Avatars/Mahatmas have lived out their mission in the modern <em>“crazy Kali age”</em> and have not needed to resort to such illegal/criminal behaviors to enlighten and edify millions of people.</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> Although there is absolutely <u>no</u> proof that Sathya Sai Baba is a <em>“sexual predator”</em> or that he molested <em>“hundreds, maybe even more than a thousand young men and boys”</em>, Timothy Conway had the <strong>temerity</strong> to pass off his <u>absurd</u> estimations and <strong>blind</strong> guesses as the truth to unsuspecting readers. It is exactly statements like these that <strong>thoroughly</strong> compromise Timothy Conway’s credibility. Timothy Conway is a true believer who also thinks it is <em>possible</em> that Sai Baba can transport alleged victims to alternate dimensions to molest them (like aliens are alleged to do through abductions). Therefore, Timothy Conway will resort to <strong>any and all</strong> excuses to justify his arguments against Sai Baba.<br /><br />Muktananda, Gurumayi, Ramakrishna (who was accused of being a homosexual and a child molester by Jeffrey Kripal: <a target="_blank" href="http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~kalischi/">Ref</a>), Neem Karoli Baba, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Chogyam Trunpa, Yogi Bhajan, Swami Satchidananda, Dalai Lama (see “Stripping the Gurus”), Sri Chinmoy, Mother Teresa (John M. Swomley wrote a highly critical book about her), Meher Baba (who was/is often attacked by Christian Fundamentalists as a deceiver and false messiah), Yogananda, Jiddu Krishnamurthi, Swami Premananda, Jesus, Mohammad, Ammachi (quite a few people have leveled numerous allegations against her) and others have been embroiled in controversy (including allegations of sexual impropriety). It seems to me that Timothy Conway has a self-serving, belief-preserving habit of naming <strong>only</strong> those gurus who do not <em>seem</em> to have controversies surrounding them and uphold them as life-savers to keep his faith afloat.<br /><br />As stated numerous times before, Sathya Sai Baba has <strong>never</strong> (ever) been formally charged with <u>any</u> crime, sexual or otherwise. Alleged victims have <u>not</u> <strong>even tried</strong> to file a court case against Sai Baba in India. Therefore, Timothy Conway’s references to <em>“illegal/criminal behaviors”</em> are personal and subjective opinions based on disastrously ill-formed arguments.<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">JH: It has to do with the purity of our own minds, not someone else’s. The impurity is not in the Avatar, who is purity itself, it’s in the world, in our minds.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">TC: This statement from Hawley sounds impressive, but is dangerous propaganda and heartlessly unfeeling as well. The Nazi movement arose with the conceit that it was a Divine movement to restore the <em>“purity”</em> of the human race and the homeland. The Nazis developed an elaborate metaphysics, theology and mythology to rationalize the decimation of Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, the disabled and other <em>“undesirables”</em> as a great good for the commonweal. Anyone who disagreed with the <em>“purity”</em> of Nazi intentions was considered an obstacle, someone to be re-educated with Nazi propaganda or else eliminated as another undesirable.<br /><br />For Hawley to suggest that anyone who has simple questions, ethical reservations or moral judgments about Baba’s sexual behavior is the one who is impure, not Baba, is being terribly disrespectful. Worse, his words serve as dangerous propaganda aiming (consciously or unconsciously) to manipulate people into compliant, obedient submission and <em>“groupthink.”</em> This is the type of slavish thinking that goes on in dysfunctional, dangerous cults like Scientology, the tragically-defunct People’s Temple sect headed by Jim Jones, and numerous other spiritual movements gone terribly wrong.<br /><br />We must remember that, according to [Prof. N.] Kasturi’s biographical literature about Baba and translations of his discourses, Sathya Sai has himself long been a critic of impurity and hypocrisy and evil masquerading as good. Given that Baba has no qualms about preaching in moralist terms, we have every right to ask about his own morality when it comes to his sexual behavior with children and non-consenting young adults.<br /><br />Again, notice that Hawley has presumptuously <em>“begged the question”</em> in implicitly identifying Sathya Sai Baba as the utterly pure, Divine Avatar. At this point in time, anyone who wishes to state this claim must back it up and demonstrate HOW/WHY AN AVATAR WOULD NEED TO MOLEST CHILDREN AND YOUNG MEN AGAINST THEIR WILL. A standard feature of dangerously dysfunctional cults is to allow the leader to get away with behaviors that are not allowed for the rank and file membership—in short, a double standard. Unless the Sai movement is advocating sex with children—something that I don’t ever recall being part of the guidelines for centers or the Ninefold Daily Conduct rules given by Baba—then sexual activity by Baba with children is not allowable by him or by anyone else.<br /><br />We must remember, too, that, if Baba’s sexual activities with young men and boys is so <em>“pure”</em> and such a necessary part of his Divine mission, then WHY IN HEAVEN IS HE NOT ALSO ENGAGING IN THIS ACTIVITY WITH YOUNG WOMEN AND GIRLS? Why is the female sex being consistently deprived of his <em>“healing Grace”</em> in this form? Is this not misogynous prejudice against female devotees?<br /><br />Incidentally, though I am strictly heterosexual, I am not homophobic, and I would have no problem with Sathya Sai if he were to come out of the closet, and, in an open manner (none of this terrible secrecy), commit himself to a homosexual lover in a monogamous relationship, perhaps even getting married in a beautiful ceremony at Prashanti Nilayam. [Unfortunately, homosexuality is by law illegal in India, any homosexual behavior, even between consenting adults, a punishable crime.]<br /><br />As it is, one day soon we are likely to see members of the international group Human Rights Watch or some other group, deeply concerned about ongoing violations of the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (CRC), demonstrating outside Prashanti with banners and signs saying: <em>“STOP MOLESTING MINORS!”</em> <em>“WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON WITHIN THE PRIVATE INTTERVIEW ROOM?!”</em><br /><br />At this point, I think that longtime Sai devotees should demand that the entry to Sai’s private interview room be kept open and that a chaperon be present on all occasions when Sai is in the company of male youth. I also think that Sai should stop wearing the ochre robe, symbol of celibate renunciation, and drop the renunciate title <em>“Swami.”</em> Given the serious allegations, these steps are not too much to ask.</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> Just when one thought Timothy Conway’s fanatic misrepresentation of Jack Hawley’s letter could not get any worse, it does. This time around, Timothy Conway (who often blathers about <em>“love”</em>, <em>“righteousness”</em>, <em>“God”</em>, <em>“peace”</em> and <em>“non-violence”</em>) compared Jack Hawley to the Nazis. Anyone who disagrees with the <em>Gospel According To Conway</em> is considered an <em>“undesirable”</em> who needs to be silenced with propaganda and brainwashed with select <em>“abuse”</em> mantras and jargon-filled excuses.<br /><br />Timothy Conway is a <strong>promoter</strong> and <strong>believer</strong> in Avatars. How would Timothy Conway defend Lord Krishna’s untruths, theft, murder, a beheading, curses, the destruction of his own clan, the pillaging of his 16,000 wives, cursing his own son with leprosy, a failed mediation attempt that resulted in (if true) the <strong>bloodiest</strong> war in recorded history, perceived sexual improprieties with the Gopis, etc.? Those who believe in the concept of Avatars can often be seen making excuses and explaining away perceived improprieties based on the powers and opulences manifested by these incarnations. Does this mean the saints, siddhas, sages and scholars that promote the Sri Krishna Avatar are like <em>“Nazis”</em>? Judging from Timothy Conway’s arguments against Jack Hawley, the answer appears to be <em>“yes”</em>. Needless to say, this <em>“Nazi”</em> comparison does not argue well for Timothy Conway’s belief in Avatars (many of whom have atrocities associated with them).<br /><br />Therefore, when Jack Hawley said:<br /><br /><blockquote><em>“It has to do with the purity of our own minds, not someone else’s. The impurity is not in the Avatar, who is purity itself, it’s in the world, in our minds”</em></blockquote><br />Jack Hawley simply reiterated a belief and teaching <strong>prevalent</strong> throughout India and in Hinduism. If Jack Hawley’s comments above are indicative of <em>“Nazi propaganda”</em>, <em>“groupthink”</em>, <em>“dysfunctional and dangerous cults”</em>, etc., then Timothy Conway is accusing Hindu scriptures, Vedic scholars and various gurus of the very <strong>same</strong> thing because they state that Avatars are <u>not</u> blemished with impurity despite the questionability of their actions.<br /><br />Timothy Conway <u>again</u> mentioned <strong>fraudulent</strong> claims of abuse against <em>“minors”</em>, <em>“children”</em> and <em>“male youth”</em> (which I already discussed and <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/pedophilia-pedophile-child-sexual-abuse-offender-rings.html">refuted</a> in-depth earlier on this page). One can only wonder why Timothy Conway spent <strong>so</strong> much time attacking <u>non</u>-abusers (i.e., Sai Devotees) instead of addressing <em>“hundreds”</em> and possibly <em>“thousands”</em> of alleged victims and their mothers and fathers who have <u>all</u> (without exception) <strong>refused</strong> to do the <em>“moral”</em> and <em>“ethical”</em> thing by taking legal action against Sai Baba in a court of law in India. The alleged parents to these alleged <em>“minors”</em>, <em>“children”</em> and <em>“male youth”</em> have <u>all</u> <strong>failed</strong> in their legal duty of <em>“mandated reporting”</em> and are thereby (according to Timothy Conway) <em>“accomplices in sexual molestation crimes”</em>.<br /><br /><u>No</u> human rights group has <strong>ever</strong> come forward to protest against Sai Baba. <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/unesco-withdraws.html">Unesco expressed regret</a> about their past position against Sai Baba (which was accomplished through an unremitting <em>“e-bombing”</em> campaign from Ex-Devotees). The <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/us-state-department-warning.html">US Department of State</a> removed <u>all</u> <strong>indirect</strong> references to Sathya Sai Baba from their official website (which Ex-Devotees similarly boasted on accomplishing themselves). It certainly seems that those who have subsequently looked closer at the allegations against Sai Baba realized they were duped by Anti-Sai propaganda.<br /><br />As Sai Devotees know well, the private interview room door is covered with a cloth curtain <strong>only</strong> when Sai Baba is in there with selected individuals. There are even wide gaps on the sides of the curtain that allow people to look directly into the private interview room when Sai Baba is in there. Timothy Conway’s comments are <u>all</u> based on Anti-Sai propaganda that he read and <strong>blindly</strong> believed (as he blindly believes that Sai Baba can possibly molest people on alternate dimensions, which he compared to alien abductions).<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">JH: Few of us can see Divinity, and fewer yet understand it.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">TC: I agree. But we can certainly see, understand, and agree that molesting children is, as most cultures have understood and agreed, WRONG and, in our society, criminal. Do I need to repeat it? It is ALWAYS INAPPROPRIATE for an adult to touch the genitals of a minor EXCEPT IN A LICENSED, CONSENSUAL MEDICAL SITUATION.<br /><br />Yes, on some plane of existence and from a certain human spiritual viewpoint, Baba may be God. But his molesting of minors and deceitfully trying to cover it up is, within our conventions of Indian and American society, criminal activity. And cover-up behavior by longtime devotees in positions of authority within the Sai organization is also criminal activity.</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> Since Jack Hawley said <strong>nothing</strong> about allegations of sexual abuse, Timothy Conway’s inferences and speculations are moot.<br /><br />Timothy Conway <u>again</u> mentioned <strong>fraudulent</strong> claims of abuse against <em>“minors”</em> and <em>“children”</em> (which I already discussed and <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/pedophilia-pedophile-child-sexual-abuse-offender-rings.html">refuted</a> in-depth earlier on this page).<br /><br />No one has <strong>ever</strong> been able to prove <u>any</u> sort of inappropriate behavior against Sai Baba. Alleged victims and their families have <strong>not</strong> filed <u>any</u> basic police complaints or court cases against Sai Baba in India. Ex-Devotees, critics, skeptics and naysayers alike (including Timothy Conway) have <u>not</u> assisted alleged victims to file basic police complaints or court cases against Sai Baba in India. So who exactly is guilty of <em>“cover ups”</em>? <strong>Certainly</strong> <u>not</u> Sai Devotees.<br /><br />Timothy Conway <u>demands</u> a certain standard of behavior and accountability from Sai Devotees yet <strong>miserably fails</strong> to demand a certain standard of behavior and accountability from alleged victims and their families (especially from the <em>“hundreds”</em> and possibly <em>“thousands”</em> of alleged mothers and fathers of abused <em>“minors”</em> and <em>“children”</em> who have <u>all</u> apparently <strong>refused</strong> to take action against Sai Baba).<br /><br /><hr /><br /><span style="font-size:78%;color:#000099;">JH: Those who go into their hearts for answers during these crises of faith fare better. Those who go into their minds and seek answers outside, struggle the hardest and ache most.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#909090;">TC: Hawley here shows his enslavement to <em>“either-or”</em> thinking conditioned by Aristotle’s ancient binary logic. He implies that genuinely mature devotees live (only) in their hearts and thereby find peace and <em>“fare better,”</em> while other devotees live (only) in their minds and are caught in the <em>“seeking”</em> syndrome, and therefore must <em>“struggle”</em> and ache.<br /><br />I would submit that what the world needs today are spiritual practitioners who live from both their deeply-feeling hearts and their clearly-thinking minds. Lord save us from the heartless or the mindless.<br /><br />As for Hawley’s comments about <em>“struggle”</em> and <em>“ache,”</em> I would remark that certainly a pseudo-bliss and false contentment can result from denial and rationalization about that which disturbs. And certainly many illustrious advocates of social justice, like Mohandas Gandhi and Dorothy Day and Martin Luther King and Archbishop Oscar Romero and Nelson Mandela (to name just a few 20th-century heroes), have <em>“ached”</em> deeply and <em>“struggled”</em> hard–and yes, even died–in their tireless quest to remedy wrongs and enact justice.<br /><br />But which path would you prefer? <em>“Ignorance is bliss”</em> or <em>“No pain, no gain”</em>? In the present case, the latter path is far more indicative of a mature spirituality.<br /><br />In closing, I reiterate my heartfelt salutations to Mr. Hawley for his dedication as a spiritual aspirant and his eloquent attempts (e.g., with his books and talks) to bring a deep spirituality into our lives. And, again, I have nothing against him personally.<br /><br />But I do believe he should publicly revoke his <em>“WE DON’T KNOW!”</em> defense of Sai and join with those of us who ask for some kind of accountability and amends-making from Sathya Sai Baba and the Sai Organization leadership. Some straightforward explanations about Sai’s behavior and a policy of keeping the private interview room open would constitute a good start.<br /><br />No matter how much time and energy Jack Hawley has invested in his position as a Sai devotee, he surely has the <em>“capacity,”</em> like many of us longtime devotees, to move beyond a public allegiance to the name and form of Sathya Sai into a deeper spirituality not mired in idolatrous identification, denials and rationalizations.<br /><br />The true experience of God is so much more glorious and sublime…<br /><br />May all beings be authentically happy, peaceful and liberated in awakening to the Truth, Beauty and Goodness of God.<br /><br />Timothy Conway</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Moreno’s Response:</strong></span> The following observations can be reliably ascertained and drawn-out from Jack Hawley’s letter:<br /><ul><br /><li>The <em>“hearsay”</em> and <em>“rumors”</em> that Hawley mentioned in his letter were being spread by e-mail. Hawley made <u>no</u> mention to webpages or websites (which are critic’s primary venues for Anti-Sai information).</li><br /><li>Hawley made <u>no</u> mention to any specific rumor.</li><br /><li>Hawley made <u>no</u> mention to sexual abuse.</li><br /><li>Hawley made <u>no</u> mention to child molestation.</li><br /><li>Hawley made <u>no</u> mention to genitals.</li><br /><li>Hawley made <u>no</u> mention to children, kids or males.</li><br /><li>Hawley said that <em>“we”</em> (apparently referring to himself and others he talked to) did <u>not</u> know if the rumors were true.</li><br /></ul><br />According to Timothy Conway (who attempted to pass off his frenzied speculations as Holy Writ), Jack Hawley <u>did</u> refer to sexual abuse allegations, child molestation, genitals and male boys. <strong>Where</strong> exactly did Timothy Conway get this information from? He most certainly did <u>not</u> get it from Jack Hawley’s letter.<br /><br />Timothy Conway <strong>shamelessly</strong> and <strong>recklessly</strong> jumped to conclusions about what he <em>thought</em> Jack Hawley <em>might</em> have referred to. After engaging in this intellectually dishonest behavior, Timothy Conway then had the audacity to pass off his speculations and assumptions as Jack Hawley <em>intended</em> words.<br /><br />Although Timothy Conway would have made some convincing arguments <strong>had</strong> Sai Baba been convicted of a crime, the <strong>fact</strong> of the matter remains that Sai Baba has <strong>never</strong> (ever) been convicted of <u>any</u> crime, sexual or otherwise. Period.<br /><br />Timothy Conway’s numerous conflicting viewpoints about Sai Baba is evidence enough that he does <u>not</u> know any more than Jack Hawley did about the rumors pertaining to Sai Baba. Timothy Conway should demand accountability and amends-making from all of the alleged <em>“hundreds”</em> to possibly <em>“thousands”</em> of mothers and fathers who (without exception) have <strong>never</strong> filed a basic police complaint or court case against Sai Baba in India, thus failing in their legal duty of <em>“mandated reporting”</em> and (according to Timothy Conway) making them <em>“accomplices in sexual molestation crimes”</em>. The reason why <u>no</u> parent has <strong>ever</strong> made a formal complaint against Sai Baba is most likely due to the fact that <u>no</u> children were <strong>ever</strong> abused.<br /><br />Timothy Conway’s foundational arguments (i.e., <em>“child molestation”</em>, <em>“affidavits”</em> and <em>“Tal Brooke”</em>) have <u>all</u> been shown to be without credible basis. Timothy Conway’s <strong>intemperate</strong>, <strong>feral</strong> and <strong>passive-aggressive</strong> attacks against Jack Hawley have similarly been shown to be without credible basis. However, there is <u>no</u> winning a point with Timothy Conway. He will resort (like a true believer) to <strong>any and all</strong> excuses (including ridiculous alien abduction comparisons) to justify his arguments and beliefs about Sai Baba.<br /><br />Timothy Conway should immediately put into practice his precept of relinquishing <em>“idolatrous identification”</em> and stop the publication of his two books (due in Winter of 2008) which glorifies, eulogizes and promotes the names and forms (i.e., <em>“idolatrous identification”</em>) of Gurus, God-Men and Avatars (including Sri Ramakrishna, Shirdi Sai Baba, Meher Baba, Amritanandamayi Ma, Ramana Maharshi, Nisargadatta Maharaj, Narayana Guru, Yoga Swami, Brahmajna Ma, Anandamayi Ma and many more). After all, <em>“The true experience of God is so much more glorious and sublime…”</em><br /><br />As the <em>Sai Critic</em> pointed out:<br /><br /><blockquote><em>“We have shown that Conway is simply not interested in the real facts of this matter and certainly not interested in arriving at any unbiased, independent, analysis of Jack Hawley’s note. He is a poor critic, out of his depth.”</em> (<a target="_blank" href="http://www.geocities.com/the_sai_critic/resphwly.html">Ref</a>)</blockquote><br /><a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/jack_hawley/">Reference</a><br /><br />Also See:<br />- <a href="http://www.saisathyasai.com/timothy_conway/">Timothy Conway Deception</a>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0